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Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by danShumway »

melq wrote: post #217
onion2k wrote: post #120

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The default setting for notifications in Chrome is "Sites can ask to send notifications", but you can set that to false in "Preferences > Privacy and security > Site settings > Notifications" and you'll never see the browser popup again. This is a feature that Chrome has had for about 6 years. The fact you haven't discovered it shows Chrome's UX could be better, but the fact you haven't searched for it might alsp sho…

You don't seem to understand what "I don’t want websites to be able to send notifications to my phone." means.

You'd rather install the website as a native app so that it has even more device access and then allow it to send notifications to your phone?

Is that really a cleaner, less intrusive UX for you then it would be to have an easily ignorable button next to a website's address bar that would allow you to turn notifications on or off for each website with maybe three or four clicks at max?

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by GekkePrutser »

pjmlp wrote: post #200
userbinator wrote: post #36

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The more I see posts like this that complain about other browsers lacking features and essentially encouraging the "Google-isation" of browsers, the more convinced I am of the power of Google's gigantic monopoly-enhancing propaganda-machine. Firefox unfortunately has no choice but to be dragged along by Google.

ChromeOS has won, Safari is the only one left standing on the way that actually matters. Firefox as much as I love it, and has been my main browser linage since the Netscape days, doesn't stand a chance. Specially when everyone is now packaging Chrome as Electron, while praising it for GNU/Linux desktop apps.

I don't think it's a contest really. I'm happy using Firefox knowing it's got a small marketshare. The same way I vote for a small political party knowing they'll never win any election.

With Firefox I don't see any issues related to the marketshare. All add-ons I want are available and all websites work just fine except one or two that just block it outright just out of spite (Apple Business Manager - business.apple.com being one)

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by GekkePrutser »

domano wrote: post #229
tobr wrote: post #204

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If your progressive web app stops working because the browser is missing a feature, by definition you have not built a progressive app. It’s supposed to work everywhere, with progressive enhancements if platform features are available.

I think this is more about the missing possibility to list it in the store

And collect a revenue percentage (not just from the app itself but any in-app purchases). Apple has been really strict on this and PWAs would avoid this entirely if they were possible.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by GekkePrutser »

heavyset_go wrote: post #72
3np wrote: post #61

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Maybe your app is a rare exception, but apart from chat apps, any use of notifications I’ve seen are undesirable and abused to spam users. Even those that do have a legit use-case still abuse it by pushing non-desirable (from user perspective) messages. I think apart from Gitter I’ve never wanted a notification, as a user.

This app helps sick patients navigate the healthcare system. Notifications were requested by users so that they don't need to continuously go back to the web app to see if there are any updates.

I agree. Most websites use push notifications for the wrong reasons. This has given them a bad reputation. But when properly used they are certainly powerful and useful.

I use them for some local forums to notify me of replies. Don't want to fill up my inbox for this.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by ralusek »

melq wrote: post #246
onion2k wrote: post #244

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If you block a website sending you Chrome notifications it blocks notifications for all your Chrome installations, including your phone. If you turn notifications off for Chrome everywhere you won't see Chrome web notifications anywhere. If you're talking about some other way websites can send notifications to your phone then I don't think that has anything to do with Chrome. And I can't think of what mechanism you'r…

My point is that the person said "I don't want websites to be able to send notifications to my phone", and then you responded by explaining how one can prevent such notifications via configuration. That is true, but not really relevant to what he said. He didn't say "I wish there was a way to configure my browser to not send notifications to my phone". You then followed up with a snarky line telling them the thing th…

If I said "I don't want bears to be able to maul me in my sleep," and someone said "here's an option you can check which prevents that from ever happening," please explain to me how that failed to solve my problem.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by pjmlp »

gumby wrote: post #258
pjmlp wrote: post #200

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ChromeOS has won, Safari is the only one left standing on the way that actually matters. Firefox as much as I love it, and has been my main browser linage since the Netscape days, doesn't stand a chance. Specially when everyone is now packaging Chrome as Electron, while praising it for GNU/Linux desktop apps.

I’ve never heard praise for electron, though that could be the crowd I associate with. Electron apps are the worst of both worlds; it’s so bad that I’m willing to open a web browser if electron is the other option.

Just check the comments here, where many of us happen to bash it, while others praise it for bringing apps to GNU/Linux.

99% of Electron stuff could be done as pure Web application, and if native support is required, running as daemon.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by pjmlp »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #272
pjmlp wrote: post #200

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ChromeOS has won, Safari is the only one left standing on the way that actually matters. Firefox as much as I love it, and has been my main browser linage since the Netscape days, doesn't stand a chance. Specially when everyone is now packaging Chrome as Electron, while praising it for GNU/Linux desktop apps.

I don't think it's a contest really. I'm happy using Firefox knowing it's got a small marketshare. The same way I vote for a small political party knowing they'll never win any election. With Firefox I don't see any issues related to the marketshare. All add-ons I want are available and all websites work just fine except one or two that just block it outright just out of spite (Apple Business Manager - business.apple…

Sure, but what do you think it will happen the day Google no longer supports its development?

As far as I know Mozilla doesn't have that many sources to keep it running, and the latest round of layouffs was kind of a signal of what is yet to come.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Post by rpdillon »

Google234 wrote: post #146
onion2k wrote: post #139

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99% of notification requests being blocked is not the same as 99% of users blocking notifications. If every user visits 100 sites and accepts notifications from one of them, then 100% of users actually want notifications despite 99% of requests being denied. I'm not defending stupid notification popups from some website you'll only ever visit once. Those are annoying. I'm saying you can't tell what users want unless…

I would imagine that 99% of people wouldn’t be happy with a service that is 99% spam.

Email _is_ 99% spam. That doesn't mean that email isn't useful, though.
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