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Scientist behind Covid-19 mRNA vaccine says her team's next target is cancer

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Re: Scientist behind Covid-19 mRNA vaccine says her team's next target is cancer

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This leaves out the part where they were already working mRNA vaccines for other diseases, like influenza. They repurposed that work, much the same as moderna did to make their vaccine.

That's still lightning fast by any measure. Being able to turn your tools to a new problem rapidly is a credit to you and the tools.

Science is why we can have nice things. It's a shame in most Western governments, those in power don't understand that.

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I know that they've made HIV a chronic condition rather than a deadly disease, but I'd still like to see it eradicated with a vaccine. Same for herpes and viral hepatitis. I hope they tackle all those in due time.

And HPV

Doesn't HPV have already a (kind of expensive) vaccine?

Some (girl)friends of mine have taken it at their own cost, of around usd$1000 (in Europe).

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Cancer vaccines aren't unheard of or completely crazy - there's a Glioblastoma (GBM) cancer vaccine that's pretty far in development by Canadian bio VBI Vaccines that may see approval soon, upon completion of their phase 3.

And the HPV vaccine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine "It is estimated that HPV vaccines may prevent 70% of cervical cancer, 80% of anal cancer, 60% of vaginal cancer, 40% of vulvar cancer, and show more than 90% efficacy in preventing HPV-positive oropharyngeal cancers."

Re: Scientist behind Covid-19 mRNA vaccine says her team's next target is cancer

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The NYT article I linked to actually has two pages. The second page goes into more details on cost. Here's a direct link to both pages of the article: https://archive.md/Fwyo0 Here's the relevant quote: > The Pennsylvania researchers said they were surprised to find any big drug company interested in their work, because a new batch of T-cells must be created for each patient — a far cry from the familiar commercial s…

Wow, thanks! $20k is lower than I expected! I guess when they add in the other costs it will be a fair bit higher, but still.

Yeah $20,000 seems very cheap for such a treatment.

Also there are biohackers who synthesize their own insulin and even COVID-19 vaccines and test it on themselves. Their work may cause them more harm than good, but it's their bodies and they're free to experiment on it however they choose. When somebody has a terminal illness and is facing imminent death the risk calculus is very different where even taking the bargain basement biohacker version of a medication may make sense. (Though obviously this particular treatment is a bit different because it uses a modified HIV virus)

Re: Scientist behind Covid-19 mRNA vaccine says her team's next target is cancer

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The NYT article I linked to actually has two pages. The second page goes into more details on cost. Here's a direct link to both pages of the article: https://archive.md/Fwyo0 Here's the relevant quote: > The Pennsylvania researchers said they were surprised to find any big drug company interested in their work, because a new batch of T-cells must be created for each patient — a far cry from the familiar commercial s…

Wow, thanks! $20k is lower than I expected! I guess when they add in the other costs it will be a fair bit higher, but still.

CAR-T (programmed t-cells for blood cancer) are around $400-500k not including the cost of harvesting and implanting them back into the patient.

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Cancer vaccines aren't unheard of or completely crazy - there's a Glioblastoma (GBM) cancer vaccine that's pretty far in development by Canadian bio VBI Vaccines that may see approval soon, upon completion of their phase 3.

And the HPV vaccine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine "It is estimated that HPV vaccines may prevent 70% of cervical cancer, 80% of anal cancer, 60% of vaginal cancer, 40% of vulvar cancer, and show more than 90% efficacy in preventing HPV-positive oropharyngeal cancers."

HPV is a bit different. Its not a vaccine against cancer, its a vaccine against a virus that happens to cause cancer sometimes.

Re: Scientist behind Covid-19 mRNA vaccine says her team's next target is cancer

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They're trying to do a cancer vaccine, not treatment for those afflicted with cancer already

How would a cancer vaccine work? A mRNA-based proofreader?

A cancer vaccine would work by priming the immune system to target the proteins that is mutated in the tumor cells, and killing the cells producing them.

In fact, the body does this regularly. Cells frequently mutate to divide uncontrollably in the body, but are nearly always suppressed by the immune system. It is only when the tumor somehow manage to bypass the immune system or the immune system is sufficiently weakened that cancers can spread.

Re: Scientist behind Covid-19 mRNA vaccine says her team's next target is cancer

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"proof of concept on the safe use of mRNA." Until about a year ago, potential treatments took 5-10 years of safety testing before general population use. This stuff takes time for things like antibody-dependent enhancement to be found. What we do know is those who are obese have bad outcomes to C19. I am not obese, got it a couple months ago, and recovered with just home rest. Now I test positive for the antibodies.

Gonna need a citation on ADE taking time to discover. It’s typically caught in trials and we can run trials much faster during a pandemic.

Typically caught in animal trials even, and surely something that would've been caught already with the amount of people already vaccinated.

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I imagine that the tumour would quickly evolve to repress expression, mutate, or completely delete the targetted neoantigen as the neoantigen is probably not required for viability.

This is absolutely true, and actually the mutations are usually quite diverse already, so it's thought that multiple neoantigens should be targeted simultaneously. However, no matter how much you target, the diversity and evolution of cancer always wins. Therefore, the goal is not to target every last cancer cell, but to trigger enough of an immune response across a wide enough variety of mutations for the B cells to…

Oh I get it that is clever.
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