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Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Wouldn't the hosting company take down his server?

Presumably Trump can afford to pay for a few servers. They could even be colocated.

Ultimately however you connect to the internet it’s via someone else who can choose to cut you off.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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That's a point of view, and a pretty cynical one. I would like to point out that regarding moderation, tech companies have been asking for guidelines and new laws for a decade now. Ageing lawmakers have been unable to provide them and we start to see shy initiatives from the EU regarding privacy laws but roughly most of the water in which tech companies operate are still no mans lands. All that make me think that eve…

Aren't these glamorous tech companies supposed to be employing from the pool of the highest echelons of intellectualism? How is it that they have such exceedingly large valuations but they can't manage to deploy a rationale by which to manage their user-based content?

Most tech company leaders achieved their positions through luck and hard work, not by being intellectuals.

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I can't seem to find the case for treating some users one way, and some users another. Also can't determine how a 'leader' will be concisely defined and vetted.

Recognized head of state? Quick - who's the recognized head of Taiwan?

Well since Twitter is already banned in China they probably don’t have to worry too much about China objecting to them recognising Taiwan.

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She is still an elected member of congress, and from what I hear - a rather popular one, regardless of her "tinfoil hatery". Opposition parties should _never_ have the power to just expel people they don't like from the opposing side. I'm sure it's purely coincidence she is locked from her twitter account on the same day that congress will be voting on a resolution on whether or not to expel her.

Shes has only been removed from twitter for spreading false information. Her free speech has not been violated.

She was only only suspended for 12 hours, and Twitter is doing damage control saying it was their automated system that messed up. I don't believe them.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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It seems pretty odd you have such a disdain for populism, but I'm guessing you believe in democracy. If most people prefer to participate that way and vote as such, are you saying that the people are wrong? Because the whole point of democracy is letting the people decide for themselves what they want. If you think democracy is fundamentally flawed though, then I guess your point makes more sense.

I genuinely don't want to take this to a negative place. So, please understand, I'm answering your question as best I can, and with positive intent. I believe populism can be quite bad, which is part of why the founding fathers designed a representative democracy, rather than a direct democracy. They were all well schooled in Greek and Roman history, and were afraid of the demagogues of Athens, and of other Greek cit…

Fair enough. Let's just agree to disagree. Cheers.

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I must say Twitter is handling this masterfully. They already censored the president of the United States, oft-called the most powerful person in the world. The die is cast. Soliciting opinions now adds a layer of plausible deniability without changing things. What could be the outcome? Will a cohort of COVID-deniers convince Twitter that everyone is entitled to an opinion, leading to the great unbanning of Donald Tr…

> the president of the United States

Ex president. Trump has to live by the same rules as the rest of the hoi polloi.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Aren't these glamorous tech companies supposed to be employing from the pool of the highest echelons of intellectualism? How is it that they have such exceedingly large valuations but they can't manage to deploy a rationale by which to manage their user-based content?

Most tech company leaders achieved their positions through luck and hard work, not by being intellectuals.

I'm speaking less about the leaders, but more of the mass. Silicon Valley has practically been deified as the brain capitol of the US, if not the world, but they're unable to meaningfully address the question? I think not, they're not addressing it, but with a sleight of hand pretending action to subdue their consumer base with a sense of security and imply a democratic process. An act of vanity, which I hope will be seen through.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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I don't really have much of an opinion on how twitter should approach world leaders. I'm more interested in the approach of world leaders to twitter. As far as I'm concerned, people receiving salaries from the taxpayer shouldn't be spending their time writing free copy for twitter. They should be communicating with the public via government operated websites, or press conferences covered by multiple media organizatio…

Ultimately the problem is that Twitter et al is the new de facto public square. Politicians want to go where the people are, not to publish to an RSS feed that some single digit percentage of their audience (which will skew elite) will ever access. Note also that there are other, broader consequences: Twitter operates the public square restriction from free speech provisions like the US First Amendment—it can regulat…

I think the answer is to start regulating our government. Far more effective to write a law on how the president can use communication platforms than to regulate the current top communication platform.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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How about we all admit that this is a simplistic position that flies in the face of centuries of case law trying to work out exactly what "free speech" means and how it squares with people's other fundamental, inalienable rights, because in real life it's not, in fact, obvious?

Simple doesn't mean simplistic. I'd like a platform that removes illegal speech, nothing else. Such a platform should be legal.

> > centuries of case law trying to work out exactly what "free speech" means and how it squares with people's other fundamental, inalienable rights, because in real life it's not, in fact, obvious?

> platform that removes illegal speech

What constitutes "illegal speech" vs "legal speech"? Clearly, freedom of speech does not give you the right to illegal speech. This is what centuries of case law and legislation have attempted to resolve - what is illegal vs what is not.

EDIT: Heck, all law is like this. I could say "I want murder to be prevented, nothing else" but what if someone kills someone else in self-defence? When is that self-defence?

There are no clear answers.

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