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Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

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> Edge teams What happened with Edge? I've been out of the loop with MS stuff for years, and last I heard you had to select a browser in the EU or something, but was this also made mandatory worldwide? I'd imagine still being bundled with Windows means their usage is not insignificant...

Edge is now a Chromium fork

Ah, thank you. I must've missed this rather large change...

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edge teams What happened with Edge? I've been out of the loop with MS stuff for years, and last I heard you had to select a browser in the EU or something, but was this also made mandatory worldwide? I'd imagine still being bundled with Windows means their usage is not insignificant...

Edge is now a Chromium fork, and is headed by an ex-Googler who cheerfully me-toos every Google web agenda. It's sole purpose is to be a Chrome browser that connects to Microsoft accounts and hence can integrate with Microsoft's enterprise tools. Despite enterprise teams already finding Chrome's six week release cycle tedious, Microsoft immediately followed Chrome to announcing their four week cycle in the last week,…

One day ycombinator will be full of people that talk after informing themselves, but that day is not today.

The Chromium Edge doesn’t support 3rd party cookies already and thus isn’t really subject to targeted ads like Safari or Firefox.

Now please continue with your reasoning.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#23

> (Conversely, if Safari refuses to implement some alleged 'feature', it becomes much less useful even if Chrome does implement it.) The fact that Apple refuses to implement basic features in mobile Safari that Firefox and Chrome have had for years now, and the fact that they refuse to allow other browser engines on iOS is the reason why we can't have nice things like progressive web apps. I recently worked on a heal…

What is Safari on iOS missing specifically?

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#24
What about Edge? I found Firefox unusable on my phone - prone to crashing and a bit slow. Meanwhile, Edge for Android includes some of the privacy and Adblocking features of FF but still uses the Chromium renderer so it doesn't sacrifice performance. I'm very happy with it.

On desktop I'm all FF, of course.

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#25

> (Conversely, if Safari refuses to implement some alleged 'feature', it becomes much less useful even if Chrome does implement it.) The fact that Apple refuses to implement basic features in mobile Safari that Firefox and Chrome have had for years now, and the fact that they refuse to allow other browser engines on iOS is the reason why we can't have nice things like progressive web apps. I recently worked on a heal…

What is Safari on iOS missing specifically?

Progressive Web Apps

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is now a Chromium fork, and is headed by an ex-Googler who cheerfully me-toos every Google web agenda. It's sole purpose is to be a Chrome browser that connects to Microsoft accounts and hence can integrate with Microsoft's enterprise tools. Despite enterprise teams already finding Chrome's six week release cycle tedious, Microsoft immediately followed Chrome to announcing their four week cycle in the last week,…

One day ycombinator will be full of people that talk after informing themselves, but that day is not today. The Chromium Edge doesn’t support 3rd party cookies already and thus isn’t really subject to targeted ads like Safari or Firefox. Now please continue with your reasoning.

I’m not an expert on this, but aren’t there other ways to track users (like fingerprinting based on extensions)?

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#27

This is why, despite it being monopolistic, I hope Apple can continue their requirement on using Safari's rendering engine on iOS. It's the sole remaining defense against a far worse monopoly. Neither the Mozilla nor Edge teams have the backbone to resist Google's web platform initiatives.

I agree. And it's sort of perverse, isn't it? At least they’ll have extensions soon (or they do, already?) so it’ll become more usable. I would gladly use Safari on desktop, too. The graphics are excellent, which is one of the reasons I’m excited about https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is now a Chromium fork, and is headed by an ex-Googler who cheerfully me-toos every Google web agenda. It's sole purpose is to be a Chrome browser that connects to Microsoft accounts and hence can integrate with Microsoft's enterprise tools. Despite enterprise teams already finding Chrome's six week release cycle tedious, Microsoft immediately followed Chrome to announcing their four week cycle in the last week,…

One day ycombinator will be full of people that talk after informing themselves, but that day is not today. The Chromium Edge doesn’t support 3rd party cookies already and thus isn’t really subject to targeted ads like Safari or Firefox. Now please continue with your reasoning.

I feel like someone just gave you a laundry list of problems, and you lifted a sock off the pile and acted like you had finished the lot...

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Safari on iOS missing specifically?

Progressive Web Apps

But what exactly?

Wikipedia says it does support it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_application:

And I know I’ve written Progressive apps for iOS myself - manifests etc.

So I know it’s not as simple as you’re saying. What do you really mean?

Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy

#30

Too bad this is only available on a operating system that spies on its users. (Sorry Apple fans, it does and while their marketing tries to hide it as much as possible, their privacy policies don't lie : https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ ) It's funny how quickly one can get downvoted for criticizing Apple's misleading marketing. Apple is a data hoarding company like every others, and no “not being worse than…

Seems like bullshit. The linked document doesn’t support the claim.
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