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Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by therealjumbo »

cogman10 wrote: post #68
dukeofdoom wrote: post #59

I think the biggest win will be disinfecting shopping cart handles. A few years before, I even have posts about it, how it didn't make sense that these where not disinfected during Flu season. I thought it was disgusting actually since people are handling food, between touching these handles. We will probably get some innovation in face masks too. For anyone in the construction/renovation industry having access to be…

I think facemasks are going to be the biggest change to daily life that I don't see going away. 2020 had a nearly non-existent flu season and that is likely related to all the COVID restrictions (I think facemasks being a key). If I were to guess, I think people wearing facemasks when they are sick (or even just through flu season) is going to be a lot more common and socially acceptable from now on. Hopefully that w…

How are masks 99% effective against the seasonal flu, but not nearly as effective against COVID-19?

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by andred14 »

"WHO acknowledges that we lack evidence that wearing a mask protects healthy persons from SARS-CoV-2 (prevention) (17)"

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817#main_botton...

"Conclusions. The majority of deaths in the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria"

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/198/7/962/2192118

https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-...

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by Kiro »

cogman10 wrote: post #68
dukeofdoom wrote: post #59

I think the biggest win will be disinfecting shopping cart handles. A few years before, I even have posts about it, how it didn't make sense that these where not disinfected during Flu season. I thought it was disgusting actually since people are handling food, between touching these handles. We will probably get some innovation in face masks too. For anyone in the construction/renovation industry having access to be…

I think facemasks are going to be the biggest change to daily life that I don't see going away. 2020 had a nearly non-existent flu season and that is likely related to all the COVID restrictions (I think facemasks being a key). If I were to guess, I think people wearing facemasks when they are sick (or even just through flu season) is going to be a lot more common and socially acceptable from now on. Hopefully that w…

In Sweden we're also seeing very low flu numbers for 2020-2021 but we have almost non-existent mask usage so I wouldn't attribute it to masks alone. I think social distancing plays a big part.

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by sp332 »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #2

I am truly baffled why the epidemiology community ever thought herd immunity will work. There is ample evidence that it is not a panacea. e.g. influenzae, hepatitis, meningitis, measles, mumps, rubella, yellow fever.

Herd immunity doesn't mean eradication. It means keeping outbreaks small.

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by pasquinelli »

Moto7451 wrote: post #69
dukeofdoom wrote: post #59

I think the biggest win will be disinfecting shopping cart handles. A few years before, I even have posts about it, how it didn't make sense that these where not disinfected during Flu season. I thought it was disgusting actually since people are handling food, between touching these handles. We will probably get some innovation in face masks too. For anyone in the construction/renovation industry having access to be…

As far as Covid is concerned, surface transmission is not considered and has not been considered a major transmission pathway since May. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0522-cdc-updates-co...

i wonder what kind of damage we're doing with all the disinfection of touch surfaces. what dangerous microbes we're selectively breeding, and what beneficial ones we're destroying.

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by andred14 »

Let me make it simple for you. There was no large increase in deaths in BC from 2019 to 2020.

In 2019 there were 38,379 deaths in BC.

In 2020 there were 41,116 deaths in BC.

The overdose crisis and population rise easily account for the increase we see.

Even without these there is no large increase in deaths that warrant the destruction of lives and businesses. Which you are helping to do by supporting the "safety".

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/life-events/statistics-re...

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by andred14 »

Here is Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winner and inventor of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) telling us that PCR should not be used as the sole test for diagnosis.

He also says we should not be taking medical advice from Dr. Fau-c1.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V__Zx0qS7uI&feature=youtu.be

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cTWN_PJ8t2o&feature=youtu.be

Here we have a vaccine maker and expert telling us that what we are doing is wrong:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc&t=2128s

We were lied to with the ridiculous models:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/cdcs-worst-case-coro...

We were lied to about 2 weeks to flatten the curve, we were lied to about the empty hospitals:

https://www.rebelnews.com/watch_video_from_overflowing_stein...

M4sks do nothing to help:

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

And the vackz is killing thousands:

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PA...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/smOWwPIF9R0w/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/AESXKv8U9DTX/

So how about these doctors and nurses why not listen to them?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2FA9BW3_8k

https://docs4opendebate.be/en/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dWglSvcmK8BY/

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/heiko-scho-ning-introduces-th...

You know the truth. Stop being weak and take back normal life.

The bottom line is statistics show the "safety" does nothing to help and we should be demanding normal life immediately:

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by hdyideudxuedhb »

dehrmann wrote: post #60
heavyset_go wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it is so infectious, it will go through an entire herd or farm within days and eventually cause mutations and jump back to humans. So it will never go away and we need to prepare for it. This is also one of the main mechanisms for antibiotic resistance in bacteria that infect humans[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance#Food_...

Long-term, antibiotic resistance scares me more than covid.

leaky vaccines cause viruses to evolve in ways that mirror how antibiotic abuse causes bacteria to evolve.

Re: Covid herd immunity is probably impossible

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Post by cogman10 »

Out_of_Characte wrote: post #78
dukeofdoom wrote: post #59

I think the biggest win will be disinfecting shopping cart handles. A few years before, I even have posts about it, how it didn't make sense that these where not disinfected during Flu season. I thought it was disgusting actually since people are handling food, between touching these handles. We will probably get some innovation in face masks too. For anyone in the construction/renovation industry having access to be…

In the Netherlands, shopping carts and masks became mandatory in shops. The shopping cart is/was used as a way to keep track of the amount of people allowed in the store. This had the counter-productive effect of having to have someone disinfect shopping cart handles with alcohol or in worst case a do-it-yourself system where disinfectant is provided but only AFTER you've already had to touch the cart of physically p…

Copper helps, but it isn't magic. It takes about 1->2 hours to self disinfect.

You'd still need a step of disinfecting the handles.

That said, I'm not sure how often flu goes from cart handle to person, I've my doubts that it's a major disease vector. I'd think just being in a store with a bunch of idiots coughing on each other probably spreads the flu more readily.

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