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Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
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#202Clots form and dissolve in small quantities in the body all the time. Occasionally the amount is large and leads to pulmonary embolism and death, without a vaccine being given. Inflammatory chemokines can slightly shift this balance. Immunization leads to an inflammatory response, and any inflammation shifts the clotting balance. This is an expected side effect. The degree of this inflammation varies in different people and varies with the severity of the inflammation. Most importantly, the benefit of protection against COVID OUTWEIGHS the small increase in clotting risk.
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#203Based on all the information provided in this article, this article is premature to publish. The headline is accurate, as 'experts say', but lack of any independent support of data supporting the claim, makes this dubious (at best) to publish at this point.
Governments have taken the decision to pause vaccinations with AZ, on the basis of this emerging information.
It's only right that we, the people, can see what our elected representatives are basing this decision (to pause) on. It makes sense to me.
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#204Meanwhile EMA (European Medicines Agency) just decided that it is safe to use the vaccine. How are these two headlines compatible with each other?
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trolley problem with a needle and some dice
Covid has a certain chance of killing any particular person (not the same chance for each person), the vaccine has a much lower chance than average COVID and prevents the COVID chance.
This vaccine has a much lower chance of killing you than COVID on average. From which you cannot draw the conclusion that vaccine has a much lower chance of killing any particular person - e.g. a healthy 20-something. That part is not at all clear.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I've missed it, but I didn't find anything in the article about whether the vaccine does need to be discontinued or not. In any case, being clear about what side effects are possible and researching them to get a better understanding is a requirement in my opinion.
You need to read the VG articles, they are much more thorough than the one linked on HN but they are in Norwegian. Google Translate does a fair job. https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mi... https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/KyWoy6/jakter-astrazen... A key quote from the second of those is this: Madsen har tidligere forklart at det er to nivåer å undersøke bivirkninger på: Gruppebasert, og i…
it doesn't make sense to stop a vaccination campaign if a small number of people have side effects, assuming the vaccination utility is high.
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#207Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is a real-life example of the runaway railcar switch dilemma. The train car is heading towards a crowd of millions of people and will plough through the middle of them killing many hundreds, or you can throw the switch and divert the railcar so it hits a handful of people prone to the blood clot reaction. In this situation it's not that much of a dilemma, though. It's not as if those prone to blood clots are n…
Yes, but, there are close to 200 vaccines. It isn't as if all vaccinations have stopped, there are other options, and panic and fear on the side of omg must vaccinate now, now,now! ? Any hint, even the slightest, that complications may be ignored, could result in untold masses refusing vaccination out of fear. So let's pause one vaccine for a few days, and see if moving ahead, or more research is required.
> there are close to 200 vaccines.
That number is at best vaccine candidates, and I suspect even that is a very charitable term.
The actual number of vaccines approved by any health agency is 12, most of which are not approved by any EU health agency. Including the number of vaccines in Phase III trials that might be approved in the next several months would get you maybe another dozen at most.
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40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.
> 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) That is a hugely inflated numbers. For example, people who died in motorcycle accidents who tested positive for COVID at the time are counted in that total. It may be useful to the CDC to count that way but it is not an accurate number to show how dangerous COVID actually is. Flu death statistics are way down this year. Did the flu magically disappear this ye…
The hospital near me has not found ANY positive flu cases in the last year. It seems like the Covid restrictions (masks, handwashing, and social distancing) were extremely effective at preventing the spread of the flu. It wasn’t magic. It was basic hygiene.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
the news article doesn't say; it attributes a quote to the doctor saying "it's the vaccine" but it's unclear whether that means "bad batch". Personally, if 3 health workers all go to the same hospital in a remote region complaining of clots, it's more likely that something local happened (as you say, QA, or any number of other sources).
The article is a very poor quality summary. The articles in VG are much better. I put a quote from one and a translation elsewhere on this HN page.
I've read all of them so far and I still think the professor was being irresponsible in his wording and the press is being dumb for amplifying it.