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Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
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Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus. The biggest "Asian" countries excluding China, Japan and Korea, didn't have hard lockdowns like in New York or California (Japan's constitution didn't even allow it), just voluntary social distancing and early closure recommendations, and effective contact tracing. China had lockdowns but it's econ…
Hard vs Soft lock down is maybe a difficult distinction. Excluding China, Korea and Japan is a lot but Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and Singapore all had lockdowns that were stricter (more observed and more enforced) than anything in California. Of course a lockdown has less impact when it is not really enforced (California) and you could make the case that near universal mask wearing…
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Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#163I will take a vaccine once one gains FDA approval. Can't imagine why anyone is surprised a barely tested medication might have some negative side-effects.
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#164Is it really so crazy to think that these vaccines which were (necessarily) rushed to production might have problems? The solution is not to just shut our eyes and say “well COVID is worse”. We have to understand the risks to administer the right vaccine to people with risk factors, and so we know how to treat the conditions that result.
I don't think anyone is shutting their eyes to the risk. COVID is worse and a lot more people out there have risk factors associated with COVID than have risk factors associated with the AZ vaccine. We can do both here: investigate these reports while continuing to fight back COVID.
I bless you my son into the church of the Branch Covidian.
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#165Most people here got the math wrong... it is not x of 17mil. but X number of cases for women vaccinated with AZ in the age group 20-50. This kind of thromboses seem to happen mostly to women. While there is no correlation yet found, such kind of thrombosis are until now mostly caused by hormones from for example anti baby bills or other situations where the hormonal balance is not normal. Most that were vaccinated in…
"anti baby pills" is an interesting term, here in the U.S. we normally call it "contraceptives". I'm assuming you're in Europe, I know in German it would be "Antibabypillen".
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#166The rate of blood clots as a side effect for the AZ covid jab is less than that of the combined contraceptive pill - does that mean that both need to be discontinued?
The clotting with AZ is very different and more serious than what the thrombosis associated with the pill - about half of those who get it die even with best medical care. It predominanctly affects folks who would have a miniscule risk of death by Covid19, so this absolutely needs to be investigated.
Yep, this^ is the point. It is amazing that this key point is missed in so many discussions.
Now.. maybe it is still worth the risk for a young 20 year old female, but I am not so sure - especially since we luckily have other vaccines that do not show this risk.
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#167Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.
It's still too early for the general public to draw conclusions from the data provided. Derek Lowe had some early observations on these numbers and their significance in regards to the critical missing data needed to make decisions: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/03/16/wh... > "...they say that is indeed “ much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size “…
At least the german Paul-Ehrlich-Institut (which is responsible for the decision here in Germany) states [1]:
> "The number of these cases after vaccination with COVID-19 AstraZeneca is statistically significantly higher than the number of cerebral venous thromboses that normally occur in the unvaccinated population. For this purpose, an observed-versus-expected analysis was performed, comparing the number of cases expected without vaccination in a 14-day time window with the number of cases reported after approximately 1.6 million AstraZeneca vaccinations in Germany. About one case would have been expected, and seven cases had been reported.
1 expected vs 7 observed seems significant. Of course, with tiny rates like that it's challenging to draw a clear conclusion.
Their whole FAQ is very concise and informative: [1] https://www.pei.de/EN/service/faq/coronavirus/faq-coronaviru...
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.
40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.
> 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population)
That is a hugely inflated numbers. For example, people who died in motorcycle accidents who tested positive for COVID at the time are counted in that total. It may be useful to the CDC to count that way but it is not an accurate number to show how dangerous COVID actually is.
Flu death statistics are way down this year. Did the flu magically disappear this year? I doubt it. Almost all respiratory infections were counted as COVID out of an abundance of caution.
Yes, COVID is dangerous. However, the count that is published is way over stated.
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#169The rate of blood clots as a side effect for the AZ covid jab is less than that of the combined contraceptive pill - does that mean that both need to be discontinued?
Just because apples and oranges can both rot doesn't mean they are both bad. There are different things at play here.
First, the vaccine: Allowing a vaccine that kills people can have very real consequences that go beyond Covid. Vaccines should be as safe as possible, and not doing so can push more folks into vaccine skepticism and anti-vaccine stances. The Covid vaccine making blood clots really can not only mean the pandemic lasts longer and folks stop taking MMR vaccines. That is enough of an issue as-is. The other thing with this particular issue is that it is just one of the vaccines that is doing it - there are other choices, and it just slows how quickly we can vaccinate folks.
As far as contraceptive pills: First, doctors do look at risk factors. Some years back, when I still smoked, my doctor wouldn't give me a pill with estrogen in it because of my age plus smoking meant I had a bigger risk of blood clots. It's OK, like the covid jab, I had other options. The other thing that is really important is that the birth control pill, even with the risk of blood clots, severely cuts the risk of death for some folks. Some women bleed so severely that it risks their health each month. And more to the point, it does a decent job of preventing pregnancy.
Being pregnant - and giving birth - is really, really dangerous, but we sometimes forget this because modern medicine has made death rates drop.
Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do remember that this expert is the person the premier Norwegian hospital picked as their spokesman for their press conference on this. So in essence what he says is the opinion of the Norwegian health care system, not just his own, about these cases. This isn't some random expert, giving an of the cuff opinion.
hes a clotting expert, not a COVID expert. So of course he sees clots everywhere. Are you sure he's the spokesman, or just making this claim as an independent researcher. There is nothing in the two articles I read saying this is an official position of the hospital.
Yes I'm definitely sure he is speaking for the hospital, and that he was speaking at the hospitals press conference.
This has been all over the news here in Norway, every news outlet treat this as legit, and from the hospital / government.