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Yes, it's the vaccine "that caused it". In a 1 in a million case. In the same way you can die eating a donut and choking on it.
The real news is that it might have involved a platelet targeting immune reaction. Guess what else causes clotting problems (in much higher frequency)? Covid
Is it really so crazy to think that these vaccines which were (necessarily) rushed to production might have problems? The solution is not to just shut our eyes and say “well COVID is worse”. We have to understand the risks to administer the right vaccine to people with risk factors, and so we know how to treat the conditions that result.
We can do both here: investigate these reports while continuing to fight back COVID.
Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…
I say both risks are totally related. Covid itself causes blood clots. The solution here has been to administer aspirin to Covid patients. So the solution for the AstraZeneca vaccine should be the same. Vaccinate people, give them some aspirin over two weeks, just in case.
Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.
Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…
Dude, it has been seen outside Norway, and the observations are exactly the same, at least here in Germany. A certain group of people, maybe in combination with a certain type of drug they are taking, seem to be at risk for a very specific thrombosis in combination with a very low blood platelet count. There is some detective work necessary now to identify this group, so they can be excluded from AZ vaccinations, and then go on with the vaccination. That's what needs to be done now, and as fast as possible.
Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.
Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.
538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population)
They really aren't comparable.
EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.
Based on all the information provided in this article, this article is premature to publish. The headline is accurate, as 'experts say', but lack of any independent support of data supporting the claim, makes this dubious (at best) to publish at this point.
Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.
Norway has also had at least three serious cases with 130.000 people vaccinated, so the incidence is certainly higher than 1 per 2.3 million.
At this point, with a plausible mechanism of action being discovered, it's either that or a "bad batch". But this doesn't seem like the kind of problem that would likely be caused by contamination or bad ingredients, and there's been enough time by now that the batch numbers behind the cases will have been thoroughly checked.
This will be a very tricky ethical consideration, with not only weighing different risks between different age groups, but also the public's trust in vaccines and the advice provided by health authorities.
My money says that AZ will be pulled from countries with few Covid deaths and/or other vaccine options available in the near term. And some controversy in countries that do not meet these criteria.
Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.
Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.