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i don’t think that increased access to “top tier” men is the root cause of this feeling. it seems to me like choices for women around partners were largely made for them for most of history. this led to men from wealth and power to define the “good” traits. the traits we defined were largely based on status. now that access to people with these traits is no longer based on who a woman’s guardian knows, but what’s ava…

You're kind of right. A lot of marriages were historically done for reasons other than love. Most women aren't sexually attracted to their husbands but they still needed a provider. Now that women are economic equals to men they have no reason to ever settle for guys they don't like, which is most guys. If you've ever seen a woman use a dating app you know that they're all flooded with dozens of messages from hot guy…

attraction is almost completely defined by society, and how we talk about desirable traits informs that.

take weight for instance:

in late feudal/early industrial society a heavy set person was seen as very attractive. access to the resources to become fat was hard, so a fat person was rich and the weight conveyed power.

in the same feudal/industrial time pale skin was also seen as very attractive, because it meant the person didn't have to labor outside for a living.

now thin tan people are all the rage, but you're saying we don't decide on what is attractive as a society?

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You're kind of right. A lot of marriages were historically done for reasons other than love. Most women aren't sexually attracted to their husbands but they still needed a provider. Now that women are economic equals to men they have no reason to ever settle for guys they don't like, which is most guys. If you've ever seen a woman use a dating app you know that they're all flooded with dozens of messages from hot guy…

attraction is almost completely defined by society, and how we talk about desirable traits informs that. take weight for instance: in late feudal/early industrial society a heavy set person was seen as very attractive. access to the resources to become fat was hard, so a fat person was rich and the weight conveyed power. in the same feudal/industrial time pale skin was also seen as very attractive, because it meant t…

> you're saying we don't decide on what is attractive as a society?

Yes. There’s no “we” who gets to make a conscious decision about these things. Attractive people are not attractive because of some narrative that was constructed.

And that’s just for long term partner preferences. Sexual attraction is almost entirely dependent on biology.

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There are no solutions for suspensions from app stores. The solution is to not use app stores -- build better webapps, use the open web. We could be living in a world where no open web ever existed, where everything would be filtered through app stores and closed environments like Facebook (AOL). We need to preserve the open web, it is our most precious ressource.

> The solution is to not use app stores Before smartphones, I was a "tech savvy" computer user. I would install lots of software on my computer from the internet . But I wouldn't necessarily recommend the same for people that looked to me for computer advice. Many people would go to a store and buy a box with a disc in it, which was something you could trust because incentives aligned. Stores would prefer to only car…

Sony rootkit springs to mind. The only reason they had the attention it did was that it was so comparatively early in the days of the internet, that consensus on how bad it was was formed by computer literate people. It was also less of an endemic problem. It has nothing to do with aligned incentives.

For a counterexample, Apple has a walled garden that has the properties you want - curated by experts, no sideloading etc. Out and out viruses aren’t common but you still have various kinds of malware that’s hard to remove (and obnoxious in-app adds and dickish dark patterns)

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How much to bet if this was manually done by a conservative reviewer?

Honestly, if we could get a group of people, 4chan?, to try to complain about apps and get lots of them banned maybe there'd be more legal pressure to stop Google and Apple being the arbiters of what's allowed on your phone.

this isn't a bad idea. i'm just afraid 4chan doesn't really have that kind of strength anymore.

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Ugh. Why do we even need an app store exactly? Visit site. Click download app. Click install. This pattern has worked for 20 years. What changed? Nothing. Google and apple just decided it wanted a walled garden and ya'll said ooo shiny.

Though I share your sentiments, that pattern worked very well at infecting machines with malware for 20 years because the average user is a bad judge of which sites to trust to install software on their device. Then again, app stores haven't solved the malware problem, and neither have solutions like trusted publishers / signing executables / etc. I look forward to seeing a solution that isn't worst-of-both-worlds.

> Though I share your sentiments, that pattern worked very well at infecting machines with malware for 20 years

And what happened? Did we all die? It's not just the security promise that's unfulfilled, it is also the threats that are way overblown.

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I dont agree, personally. I believe that putting everything online is not sustainable. It might be very difficult to believe for people who earn so much that they can afford 24/7 stable and fast internet anywhere they go, but there are places where even good old broadband dsl is unstable, in the west. The reasoning of "appstore bad -> lets not use any appstores" is flawed. There are "appstores" like the ones on FOSS…

There's no reason why a web app can't work in offline mode. Think of a web browser as the ultimate App Store -- you navigate to any "app" by using your search engine of choice or by passing around links to the "apps" via email / messaging. Then, you bookmark your "app" so that it's available with one click. Offline storage, offline compute, notifications, etc. are all things that we can do via web APIs just as easily…

You’re overstating the capabilities of web APIs. Good luck trying to make a real web app with 3D graphics, offline storage, offline compute, or push notifications. All of that stuff is totally gimped compared with native iOS and Android APIs. This is no accident; widespread cross-platform app development with no revenue cut would go against the interests of the browser engine vendors.

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There are no solutions for suspensions from app stores. The solution is to not use app stores -- build better webapps, use the open web. We could be living in a world where no open web ever existed, where everything would be filtered through app stores and closed environments like Facebook (AOL). We need to preserve the open web, it is our most precious ressource.

Due to my phone running low on storage I've had to uninstall some apps lately and switch to the mobile web version. In the process, I realized that many of these webapps effectively worked almost identically to their app counterparts with only very minor differences that didn't impact my usage at all. Actually for some of them the main difference is that the webapp will push very hard for you to install the app with…

Reddit (the mobile website) is so annoying about that.

But also the official mobile app is atrocious compared to third-party ones..

Re: Google Play store bans polyamory dating app

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post #97

There are no solutions for suspensions from app stores. The solution is to not use app stores -- build better webapps, use the open web. We could be living in a world where no open web ever existed, where everything would be filtered through app stores and closed environments like Facebook (AOL). We need to preserve the open web, it is our most precious ressource.

> The solution is to not use app stores Before smartphones, I was a "tech savvy" computer user. I would install lots of software on my computer from the internet . But I wouldn't necessarily recommend the same for people that looked to me for computer advice. Many people would go to a store and buy a box with a disc in it, which was something you could trust because incentives aligned. Stores would prefer to only car…

I think web quality sandboxing for installed apps would mitigate security issues sufficiently to make less restrictive discovery and reputation mechanisms viable again.

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post #84

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There's a constitutional amendment for that specific carve-out, though. The constitution permits that limit, it doesn't what many in this thread are proposing.

It's not only the same, it's worse. You have 2 choices: 1) Decline to recognize thst Google is in any way a special case, and so treat Google like any other private business, like your brother-in-laws little one-man coffee shop. 2) Recognize that Google is in any way special and different from some other random small private business. Let's say you subscribe to 1) : On the surface level, being denied service in the a…

> On the surface level, being denied service in the app store because your app caters to people who are poly, is like being denied service in the general store because you're black, or Chinese, Or Jewish.

No it's not! Your race is innate, sexuality is innate, that isn't.

Your argument is so transparently ridiculous that I highly doubt you're operating in good faith.

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> The problem is the iPhone and Android platforms are the only two ways to reach many customers. Neither has a monopoly, or anything close to a monopoly. Duopolies are legal. > Web isn't first class, and there's no open standard or easy way to distribute native apps. This isn't a bad thing. People who want native apps from a source other than Apple or Google can pretty easily get them: Cydia's existed longer than the…

Funny, "The world doesn't owe you a business model" is exactly what I would say to google and apple about their app stores. Maybe even the full "The world doesn't owe you a business model, and you can't take away people's rights because you want a better way to sell" even though that invites unproductive sidetracking about to what extent a free market is a right.

Speech is a right, and forcing someone to host something is against 1A.
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