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Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by syshum »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #75
syshum wrote: post #31

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The problem with that argument is that the developers of the application are making the choices not the people that are "building their own service" This goes to the core of the debate, I am in favor of giving users the ability to block anyone they want, even the ability to subscribe to and distribute block lists However it is step to far to hardcode or build in unchangeable block lists into the very foundation of th…

When I build something, I alone get to decide what my labor enables and what it does not. If you disagree with my choices, you’re free to use a tool built by someone whose values better align with yours.

That is fine, just do not market it as a "Free Speech" service / tool / platform like the fediverse try's to do.

The entire marketing of the fediverse software is freedom from censorship.

if you want to build "Authoritarianverse" and place yourself as emperor for life, then you are free do to do just be open with your marketing so people know to avoid your software

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by fredgrott »

donatj wrote: post #78
mschuster91 wrote: post #74

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And yet people accept work in "at-will" states. And the reason is the same as in developers build upon Google Play and Apple Store: they don't have another choice to make a living.

Myself, working in an at-will state, it’s quite a different situation. If I lose my job there are thousands of other companies that would be happy to have me. Many of whom are filled with great people who are sane and reasonable. When it comes to selling mobile apps there are two storefronts with unforgiving chaotic management that will drop you at the turn of a hat.

you are confusing at-will with having an open enough systems that promote equity for all

the equity for all is what guarantees what you have experienced not an at-well work state

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by ethbr0 »

skohan wrote: post #76
chii wrote: post #52

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The dangers of building on a platform that is unregulated. You wouldn't build your brick and mortar store on a contract that allowed the landlord to kick you out at a whim without compensation.

I think this is one of the great unsolved problems of our time. Apple, Google and Amazon (ok and Azure too I guess) are effectively gatekeepers in terms of what products are allowed to exist online. And during the pandemic this is especially relevant, because for a great many people online life is public life for all intents and purposes. I think almost everyone would agree that a handful of unaccountable corporation…

Parent pointed out a good starting place: in the physical world, we've evolved minimum property and contractual rights that cannot be waived.

In the digital world we have... binding arbitration clauses in terms & conditions of use.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by _ea1k »

nargek wrote: post #47
derpthebert wrote: post #37

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f-droid banned Gab. So they cannot be trusted to run an impartial service.

Not tolerating xenophobia, racism and bigots in general is a big point for a lot of people. The paradox of tolerance is something that many people should consider.

I'm not familiar with Gab, but was the app itself promoting that or just some content from users?

If it is just users, why ban them and not browsers or anything that can access Facebook?

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by rvschuilenburg »

wffurr wrote: post #77
jorvi wrote: post #17

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It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

There's a joke (can't find the comic or article, darn you Google search) that says when you make a forum with "free speech" you get one civil libertarian and 99 trolls, neo nazis, child pornographers, etc. Moderation is essential for usable communities. These block lists are a form of moderation to make Mastodon useful. Otherwise it's pushed on to the user, many of whom will just nope out back to Reddit or Facebook,…

The person you're replying to is not referring to blocklists between mastodon instances (so for example, having mastodon.org blocking federation between them and cybre.space), but clients preventing you to login to certain instances. It's like an e-mail client that supports the POP-protocol preventing logins to pop.myemailserver.com because they don't like myemailserver.com

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by rvz »

kryptiskt wrote: post #29
rvz wrote: post #2

You know what I am going to say... Google Play is owned by Google and is a private platform. They can remove, ban, suspend any app or app update they want when it breaks their policies. That is tough.

Where does it say that people don't have the right to criticize them for their actions on the platform? Because I don't see how the fact that they have the ability and possibly the right (let's see what the antitrust cases say) to do this means that anybody has to take it without complaint.

I'll be waiting for the next time Google bans another app on the Play Store even after the antitrust lawsuits are over.

In the old days at least for the desktop, one just points to a website to download an app on to their computer. Discord already does this. No Microsoft or Apple App Store required.

For Android, F-Droid has a default main repository which is centralised but also allows you to add another repository if you want. While it is not as intuitive as adding a repository via a deep link at least you can do that.

For iOS, Cydia is an App Store for iOS just like F-Droid where the user can easily add a repository via a 'Add to Cydia' deep link, and they get all the apps from that developer. We need something like that for the desktop, where users can do this freely.

Centralisation of App Stores is not the answer, even if you 'break up' Google which I hope happens anyway. But for now, the Play Store is 'their service'. You're free to complain, critique, appeal, argue, scream, etc but it won't be the last time this will happen again.

The best thing to do is to self-host your app; like how Telegram and Discord are doing it.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

pampa wrote: post #71
nargek wrote: post #47

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Not tolerating xenophobia, racism and bigots in general is a big point for a lot of people. The paradox of tolerance is something that many people should consider.

One of my favorite zen koans is "Fire-poker Zen": "Hakuin used to tell his pupils about an old woman who had a teashop, praising her understanding of Zen. The pupils refused to believe what he told them and would go to the teashop to find out for themselves. Whenever the woman saw them coming she could tell at once whether they had come for tea or to look into her grasp of Zen. In the former case, she would serve the…

I'm not really sure your fable says much, except for some how bringing in metooism into it.

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Post by COGlory »

nargek wrote: post #47
derpthebert wrote: post #37

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f-droid banned Gab. So they cannot be trusted to run an impartial service.

Not tolerating xenophobia, racism and bigots in general is a big point for a lot of people. The paradox of tolerance is something that many people should consider.

Exactly. I'll consider those things myself, thanks. I don't need my app store to do that for me.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by jaster »

wffurr wrote: post #77
jorvi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

There's a joke (can't find the comic or article, darn you Google search) that says when you make a forum with "free speech" you get one civil libertarian and 99 trolls, neo nazis, child pornographers, etc. Moderation is essential for usable communities. These block lists are a form of moderation to make Mastodon useful. Otherwise it's pushed on to the user, many of whom will just nope out back to Reddit or Facebook,…

Not sure if it's the one you were thinking about, but there is a similar passage in the Slate Star Codex article "Neutral vs. Conservative: The Eternal Struggle" https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ...

    The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong.
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