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Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

jorvi wrote: post #17
pseudo0 wrote: post #10

Amusing that Husky is still up, a fork of Tusky that has support for some additional Pleroma features and lacks Tusky's blacklist of certain "naughty" instances. https://github.com/fwgs/husky

It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

Gotta keep in mind the concept of "Federation" isn't the same as "Anti-censorship" or "Free Speech".

It's less escaping the censored and restricted megacorp service to freedom or free speech anarchy and more you're able to build your own service that fulfills your own needs and own preferred blend of moderation vs free speech and that service can interact with others own instances with their own rules.

Same goes for the clients.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by fennecfoxen »

rvz wrote: post #2

You know what I am going to say... Google Play is owned by Google and is a private platform. They can remove, ban, suspend any app or app update they want when it breaks their policies. That is tough.

Just because you can do a thing doesn’t mean you should be able to do a thing or that you should do a thing, and it definitely doesn’t mean you should be immune to criticism for doing the thing.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by amelius »

rvz wrote: post #2

You know what I am going to say... Google Play is owned by Google and is a private platform. They can remove, ban, suspend any app or app update they want when it breaks their policies. That is tough.

> Google Play is owned by Google and is a private platform. They can remove, ban, suspend any app or app update they want when it breaks their policies.

In this democracy, companies can only do what we, the people, allow them to do.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by fwn »

jorvi wrote: post #17
pseudo0 wrote: post #10

Amusing that Husky is still up, a fork of Tusky that has support for some additional Pleroma features and lacks Tusky's blacklist of certain "naughty" instances. https://github.com/fwgs/husky

It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

The idea behind federated networks is to spread power.

If power is truly spread out and people there are as heterogeneous as everywhere else it does mean that there will be instances that do not agree on the process on how to handle things. That is by design.

Long term the only one you as a Mastodon user have to agree with is the administrator of your instance. If you are on a mainstream instance where, let's say, zealots push for an ever smaller overton window and isolate the instance you should, ideally, just switch instances as soon as it starts getting in your way.

It is natural that parts of the network will drift in different directions while they iterate on their understanding on how the instance should be governed.

Truly problematic are not instances deciding to go strict but platform providers trying to pressure their vague and intransparent rules onto the network.

... also the ever present risk of software developers adding their own hierarchy to the system, but that problem is inherent to all shared protocols.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by mansion7 »

jorvi wrote: post #17
pseudo0 wrote: post #10

Amusing that Husky is still up, a fork of Tusky that has support for some additional Pleroma features and lacks Tusky's blacklist of certain "naughty" instances. https://github.com/fwgs/husky

It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

They must bend over and accept the blacklists, for our betters at Apple and Google have deemed some of the instances to be too naughty. They will ban the app from their stores if such access is allowed.

Instead, one must access naughty comment through other approved means, such as Chrome or Safari.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by shakow »

jorvi wrote: post #17
pseudo0 wrote: post #10

Amusing that Husky is still up, a fork of Tusky that has support for some additional Pleroma features and lacks Tusky's blacklist of certain "naughty" instances. https://github.com/fwgs/husky

It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

The thing is that Mastodon and other libre platforms mantra is not to ensure that everyone express themselves, but that everyone can do so.

I am, personally, totally fine with that: I don't wish to have ideas I hold in contempt sneak into my feed. But the key difference with “dictator companies” is that I decide what I don't see and whom I enclose with.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by PurpleFoxy »

3np wrote: post #18
jorvi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still blows my mind that Mastodon was explicitly made to escape the 'dictator companies' of closed social networks but that many of the apps made for Mastodon contain blacklists. I don't agree with the content of said blacklisted Mastodon instances and I agree that developers can do whatever they want with their app, but blacklists seem painfully obviously against the spirit of what Mastodon is supposed to represe…

On the contrary, the idea in the fediverse is that you choose a server that aligns with your needs and preferences. You can always run your own promiscuous instance if you want. This is in contrary to the status quo, where the vertical integration makes it practically impossible to choose a differently filtered view. Over time I'm sure we'll see curation markets for filter lists, think adblock lists but tied to some…

OPs point is the app devs are trying to stop you picking your own server by blocking you from logging in to unapproved servers via the app. Instances blocking each other is perfectly understandable.

This is like if chrome started blocking websites google disapproves of.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by kryptiskt »

rvz wrote: post #2

You know what I am going to say... Google Play is owned by Google and is a private platform. They can remove, ban, suspend any app or app update they want when it breaks their policies. That is tough.

Where does it say that people don't have the right to criticize them for their actions on the platform? Because I don't see how the fact that they have the ability and possibly the right (let's see what the antitrust cases say) to do this means that anybody has to take it without complaint.

Re: Tusky has been removed from the Play Store

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Post by 3np »

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #28
3np wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, the idea in the fediverse is that you choose a server that aligns with your needs and preferences. You can always run your own promiscuous instance if you want. This is in contrary to the status quo, where the vertical integration makes it practically impossible to choose a differently filtered view. Over time I'm sure we'll see curation markets for filter lists, think adblock lists but tied to some…

OPs point is the app devs are trying to stop you picking your own server by blocking you from logging in to unapproved servers via the app. Instances blocking each other is perfectly understandable. This is like if chrome started blocking websites google disapproves of.

You're right - but my argument is equally applicable to Mastodon apps as to instances or Google's app store - you can always choose a different app!

If they start using their own proprietary protocol extensions, or closed their instance to other clients, I'd not be as dismissive.

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