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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by einpoklum » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:31 PM UTC

pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

Note that the grandparent post did not talk about the Left, but rather, the "Left". Not the same thing.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by erezsh » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:31 PM UTC

dcolkitt wrote: post #453

pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) Wasn’t it black moderates that powered centrist Biden to the nomination? Bernie and Warren’s failure to gain any significant traction with the black electorate sunk their progressive candidacies.

Funny, the way I remember it, they forced Sanders out without any voting (and for the second time in a row!)

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by alimbada » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:32 PM UTC

Black people make up 3% of the UK population according to a quick Google search. If there are 7 black people in his company of ~250, that's almost 3%. This is just one data point but it's the one he's using in his post and getting upset over the lack of black representation, when it's proportionate with the overall ratio of ethnicities in the wider population.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by atomashpolskiy » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:35 PM UTC

In Russia we have a joke that would roughly translate to this:

Lesson in the primary school. Teacher says: "Kids, today we will be learning letter 'A'. Who can tell me some words that start with this letter?" Kids: "Apple! Address! Adventure!" One boy, Vova, says quietly: "Ass." "How rude, Vova!", the teacher exclaims, "There is no such word in English!". Vova, quietly: "How strange... Ass is there, but the word is not?"

Sums it up pretty well, I think.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by Ceezy » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:36 PM UTC

alimbada wrote: post #473

Black people make up 3% of the UK population according to a quick Google search. If there are 7 black people in his company of ~250, that's almost 3%. This is just one data point but it's the one he's using in his post and getting upset over the lack of black representation, when it's proportionate with the overall ratio of ethnicities in the wider population.

44% of London is black.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by tim44 » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:37 PM UTC

qwerty456127 wrote: post #11

I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word but I can see nothing wrong in "master". Not a single moment in my life I thought about slavery when hearing/seeing the word "master". Should we also rename master degrees perhaps?

With the NBA right now, there is debate about teams having "owners."

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by marcodave » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:38 PM UTC

anon9001 wrote: post #195

greatgib wrote: post #147

Fun fact, in a mean time, so far, no one targeted the term "scrum master" yet. Despite this being the closest to software dev modern slavery in big companies ... So, please, can we profit of that to cancel the usage of 'scrum' everywhere ? :-)

> So, please, can we profit of that to cancel the usage of 'scrum' everywhere ? :-) If we do a good enough job, "scrum" will become a dirty word merely by association. To the Twitter, everyone!

And next what? Agile?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by chriswarbo » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:39 PM UTC

AzzieElbab wrote: post #470

pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

“ s. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights.” I don’t think the person you are replying to would agree with you about affirmative actions being a good thing. Other than that, the left is super repressive of free speech which is the only civil right left to win , detrimental t…

> the left is... manipulative when it comes to voting to the point when half of the country does not believe in elections

I disagree with essentially everything you're saying, but how on Earth can you write that with a straight face? I mean, five seconds on Google gives me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona...

Many elected Republicans are still lying about the election results. How is that 'the left' being 'manipulative when it comes to voting'? Not to mention the slew of disenfranchisement policies being drawn up by Republicans at the moment.

> The right simply does not exist in the institutional level at this point, all they can do is whine about excesses of the left

Erm, what "left" are you referring to? US politics is a battle between Pepsi vs Coke https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by newswasboring » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:40 PM UTC

bb101 wrote: post #394

newswasboring wrote: post #360

> We’re going to change the branch name because it could be seen as offensive but we’re still going to sell police facial recognition software that is biased against black people and women. Facial recognition software that misidentifies black people as gorillas. Facial recognition software that was used to identify unmasked BLM protesters. We’re going to change the branch name to be more inclusive of minorities but w…

Microsoft was the talking point in a couple of the articles, and they also own Github. The rest, could be considered under the tech giants umbrella -- so I'd say the links are topical and relevant.

Whats not clear to me is whether the first part of the sentence is talking about Github or tech giants? Actually, thats a general thing in this article, switching between those two modes.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by willis936 » Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 12:41 PM UTC

qwerty456127 wrote: post #11

I would agree "slave" seems a weird choice of a word but I can see nothing wrong in "master". Not a single moment in my life I thought about slavery when hearing/seeing the word "master". Should we also rename master degrees perhaps?

The important thing to know here is that it is not how you interpret the words that matter. Social justice isn’t asking how github or existing developers feel because it isn’t a change that takes their feelings into account.

I’m playing devil’s advocate. I don’t have strong feelings on this specific change, but I can see my line of thinking surprisingly absent in this entire thread.