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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by vmception »

dsincl12 wrote: post #110
vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

As a white dude, I feel really ashamed for this even though I'm not involved in this at all. Sorry man, you deserve a better world.

I appreciate the empathy, I hope that my thoughts can help people direct energy in more productive ways.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by secondcoming »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #278
secondcoming wrote: post #193

This is a SJW's worst nightmare... being told they aren't needed/helping by a PoC. There are PoC on my team and they were asked about the master/main thing. None had an issue with 'master'. They were also sent on the same Diversity 'education' course as everyone else. Again, they found it dumb and patronising. One even got into an argument with the WASP presenter. It was quite funny to witness.

> This is a SJW's worst nightmare. "SJW" here. This kind of stuff gets posted all the time. It's usually full of logical fallacies (and anecdotal evidence, like your comment) and slurped up by people who are looking to confirm their biases. Sometimes it's not even written truly by a PoC.

What's the difference between 'anecdotal evidence' and a 'lived experience'?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by rvz »

Told you how useless this branch change was to bring this 'inclusivity' in. Nothing but woke virtue-signalling as a whole. They want real change not solidarity stunts like this. GitHub and everyone else might as well have done nothing instead of bringing this attention to themselves.

This fallacious logic of 'If you are silent, you are against us' or 'Your silence is violence' means that when we are still waiting for Mastercard to change their name, at the same time they are also virtue signalling for 'inclusivity' as well. One can just say: 'Why haven't you changed your offensive name yet?' 'Since they are still silent about this demand, they are probably still against us and what we believe in.'.

It is better to ignore them in the first place rather than give in to their ridiculous demands and copy their virtue signalling stunts which achieve absolutely nothing.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by mikaeluman »

I agree that the intense focus on changing names and appearances in general is at best a waste of time. It's a very US/UK-centric discussion.

"Master/slave" has no relevance at all in many countries like Sweden where serfdom (träldom) was forbidden or else ended in the 13th century and never involved foreign peoples.

"Whitelisting" and "blacklisting" have never been associated with skin pigmentation. This seems like a paranoid interpretation.

Meanwhile, the real problems still remain. I will say that I think even the author makes a serious mistake in framing the discussion around skin color.

These ideas about race that prevail in the discussion are not helpful and stem from poor scientific work in the 18th to 20th century.

The genetic diversity of Africa is more diverse than the rest of the world (https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/article/study-africans-mo...).

To refer to all as "black" (or worse, "Black" with a capital B) is a simplification that has no relevance today.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by DJBunnies »

jamil7 wrote: post #31
RawaHorse wrote: post #18

Maybe it's just me but, outside of tech contexts, I associate "master" and "slave" much more with bdsm than I do with actual slave ownership.

Maybe we can start using dom/sub instead of master/slave in tech.

We already claimed it during the sub prime lending fiasco.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Symbiote wrote: post #222

> Out of curiosity I asked my manager, who is like 20 yrs older than me, if he had ever been stopped and searched, he said not once in his life. I had a similar conversation when a black colleague was late for work, having been stopped and searched by the police in London. The other 10 (white) developers were all shocked, but he said it as casually as someone might report they'd missed the train, or had a puncture on…

I mean, an interesting question that gets underreported is: what is the rate at which searches of black people find evidence, vs white people, per search? Police just want crimes (ironically); if one visually identifiable population group gives them more crimes, they'll preferentially search that one. Hell, it's even worse - if you see a crowd, and you know that, for instance, to pull numbers out of my ass, black people are 10% more likely to be carrying drugs than white people, it's in your rational (if racist) interest as a police officer to always preferentially search black people over white people - just like how if a coin comes up heads 60% of the time, you guess heads every time, not 60%.

The solution is drug law reform and changing the incentives of the police away from maximizing case count.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by garmaine »

KaiserPro wrote: post #202
neronero wrote: post #158

EDIT: For comparison: * "Common Mistakes of New Engineering Managers" (5hrs ago, 110 points, 30 comments) -> rank 2 * this post (2hrs ago, 1000 points, 500 comments) -> rank 20 Why is this post being penalized? Too many black folks commenting and up voting? (/s) ----- Amazingly well written. I'm going to say some things. You'd guess wrongly if you infer that I'm bitter - since I'm personally very lucky. Having been b…

indeed, the thing that struck me was how much of a middle class sausage factory SV-tech is. I had worked in VFX/media for a long time, and we at least knew that we were mostly rich middle class fops. Having heard all the noise about how upset the tech bros were when diversity increased at FAANG, when I got here I expected to have some, well diversity. I went from a team that had 8/30 female-male, which the company fe…

Not middle class. That include plumbers, mechanics, and other skilled technicians that really do have to work hard for their living.

SV is stuffed full of upper-middle-class, a category that is more different than the name would imply. These folks (including me) had the luxury of “not knowing what I want to do in college” (or even attending college in the first place) and getting to bounce around until we find something that sticks. Or go to medical/law/graduate school and take on hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt then work a free internship or residency before being able to command a salary that pays off that debt.

It’s a different world from the middle class.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by garmaine »

nlitened wrote: post #336
Narann wrote: post #33

> So while the tech community was rushing around, trying to do their best impression of a black square post on Insta I remember thinking, “oh for fucks sake, they’ve completely missed the point”. Why? They forgot to talk to people who are actually members of the black community. In practice, big techs don't care about POC, they care about mobs. "Inclusive" words is just what make mobs happy and it's cheaper to do tha…

Is “person of color” an okay thing to say in US? It really rubs me the wrong way (as a non-native English speaker). To me it’s kinda like calling people with long noses “people of nose size”.

It is a politically correct term, yes. For now.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by newswasboring »

> We’re going to change the branch name because it could be seen as offensive but we’re still going to sell police facial recognition software that is biased against black people and women. Facial recognition software that misidentifies black people as gorillas. Facial recognition software that was used to identify unmasked BLM protesters. We’re going to change the branch name to be more inclusive of minorities but we’re going to carry on selling software to ICE. Get the fuck outta here.

This is a weird paragraph. They are contrasting GitHub's decisions against some other companies entirely.

edit: These were the links cited [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50865437

[2] https://www.cnet.com/news/google-apologizes-for-algorithm-mi...

[3] https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/18/21373316/nypd-facial-reco...

[4] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tech-companies-quietl...

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