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GitHub, fuck your name change

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by iamflimflam1 »

albertopv wrote: post #181
iamflimflam1 wrote: post #104

This topic has been done to death. If you're offended by the name change from master to main then you really need to be asking yourself why you're so upset about it. And you need to be answering that question honestly.

Because it's utterly useless, stupid, out of context. Why Git, github, Azure DevOps, everyone have to change that and possibly broke backward compatibility with scripts, pipelines or who know what(yes, I can branch master from main, but why I have to?)? Why? Should we completely stop to use master word altogether?

The level of anger it seems to generate in people is completely out of proportion to the actual change. It's interesting.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by KaiserPro »

neronero wrote: post #158

EDIT: For comparison: * "Common Mistakes of New Engineering Managers" (5hrs ago, 110 points, 30 comments) -> rank 2 * this post (2hrs ago, 1000 points, 500 comments) -> rank 20 Why is this post being penalized? Too many black folks commenting and up voting? (/s) ----- Amazingly well written. I'm going to say some things. You'd guess wrongly if you infer that I'm bitter - since I'm personally very lucky. Having been b…

indeed, the thing that struck me was how much of a middle class sausage factory SV-tech is.

I had worked in VFX/media for a long time, and we at least knew that we were mostly rich middle class fops. Having heard all the noise about how upset the tech bros were when diversity increased at FAANG, when I got here I expected to have some, well diversity.

I went from a team that had 8/30 female-male, which the company felt was too small, to a team inside FAANG which is all male. Every. fucking. team that I've been in contact, bar one, is an entire sausage factory.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by etchalon »

The best of this comment section is that the OP's point was "you make barely-consequential changes like x instead of difficult ones like w, y, and z which would help more" and people are utilizing the post to argue why they should have to do even less.

Neat.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by xg15 »

sunaurus wrote: post #4

I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

> Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these thoughts so that decision-makers in large companies have a chance to hear us and realize that they should focus on more useful issues instead.

So do we know where that decision actually came from?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by creato »

dsun180 wrote: post #21
sunaurus wrote: post #4

I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…

Same here in germany. When we hear the word master, most people think of the master in karate kid or the master degree of a university. I think only in the usa people are so full of hate that they directly think of bad stuff.

The funny thing is, I don't think very many people thought of "bad stuff" before this idiotic culture war planted it in everyone's mind, even if in a negative light.

I would bet that most people didn't have any idea that words like "grandfather" or "blacklist" had (or didn't have) any racist history.

Wouldn't it have been better to just let the words outgrow their history? These words were already dead or dying as racist terms. Not any more.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by clusterfish »

Freak_NL wrote: post #155
vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

Aren't you worried that by applying political labels like 'left' (or equally often seen in the US context: 'liberal') for something that does not really represent that political ideology, you are at risk of further polarizing such debates? This specific instance seems like an overreaction of some in both corporate and social media culture. One poster already pointed out that this is likely more about corporate fear o…

Assuming the US:

Do you know a lot of "woke" people who aren't otherwise on the left? I don't.

Do you know a lot of "left" people who actively speak against the "woke" crowd? I know very few. Almost all of them who speak on the topic, speak in unequivocal support of "woke" ideas and talking points.

If "the left" doesn't want to be equated with the woke culture, they should publicly and consistently disown it. You know, in the same manner as they demand that conservatives disown Trump and his crowd to not be counted as racists.

It's in everyone's power to start extinguishing the extremes. Until then, I'll take silence on your nearest extreme as your tacit approval of it.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by karpour »

I was indifferent about it at first. main is a good name, master as well. It was completely unnecessary for reasons pointed out in the article.

Now, I can agree, f ck this change. I work with a lot of legacy repos, multiple devs, and I always have to check whether a repo uses master or main. Sometimes we end up with both master and main branches, then we have to deal with that too. It's nothing bad ever, maybe in total I wasted 1-2 hours. But if millions of other devs also wasted many minutes of work time on this unnecessary change, that adds up.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by josephg »

turbonoobie wrote: post #124
kkoncevicius wrote: post #10

> Last summer an(other) unarmed black man was killed by police in Minneapolis, Minnesota. [...] So, what was tech’s big song and dance? Let’s remove offensive terminology from our collective lexicon. There were several casualties, white/blacklist are examples of words deemed to be too offensive to use. In my memory this started way before the recent BLM protests - around the time CoC (Code of Conduct) was being intro…

CoC is such a strange document. All I’ve seen it do is sit in a repo as a flag post. When I see a license document it gets me thinking about what intentions the project is released with, but when I see a CoC document all I do is mentally filter it out and go about my day.. One would think it could leave some sense about the maintainer(s) being decent in some way. Instead I’m just left with a feeling of coercion if an…

I know this is controversial, but I still love SQLite's old code of conduct (now 'code of ethics'[1]). Its based on some old religious text. If you skip the religious bits, the rest is extremely wholesome. I much prefer it over most projects' CoCs - I've never seen much benefit in spending a lot of words to say "please be civil".

> Be a help in times of trouble.

> Do not return evil for evil.

I will try, for you SQLite! :D

[1] https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by lionkor »

This is not a GitHub issue - Git itself now asks you if you would like to use the more inclusive `main`.

I personally don't care for these changes, I will likely keep using `master` because I "automatically" type it in my workflow, and I find master to be a lot more descriptive. `main` is the name of my main.c, main.go or main.cpp file, the name of the main function, etc. I dont need another "main" to mess up my autocomplete.

If they (github/microsoft) want to make a difference, I'm there with them, if they decide they want to put a few more millions a year towards getting lower-class children a higher education, I'm happily going to buy some GitHub pro or whatever.

Until then, they need to step down and just be the tool they are, nothing more.

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