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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by katbyte »

rsj_hn wrote: post #619
katbyte wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So peoples PII should be just sitting there unregulated because companies can't afford to clean up their privacy messes?

You are asking a question as if this was some sort of moral issue, and that's pretty much guaranteed to lead to terrible decisions -- ultimately immoral decisions -- so my advice is to not approach technical problems through a moralistic lense, but through a technical lense. The situation we have now is that massive amounts of code and business processes that were created without the assumption that things like email…

You can’t ignore morality and make decisions with taking it into account - it leads to much of the suffering and poor choices in the world

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by oliwarner »

closeparen wrote: post #517
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

But going through the process where you work out what customer data you need, reviewing how it's stored, letting your customers all this, is good.

It's very much more healthy (and lawful) than just mucking on, stuffing data into limitless digital vaults and then not having a clue when all that data gets leaked.

In the good old days, paper records had the good manners to take up physical space. It was clear when you had too many records because it was a serious inconvenience to your business.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by jpxw »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #474
jpxw wrote: post #67

Good riddance. GDPR is an insane, Byzantine mess of legalese, which maps poorly onto reality.

> Good riddance. GDPR is an insane, Byzantine mess of legalese, which maps poorly onto reality. Have you even read it? The GDPR is a quite straightforward piece of legislation.

Yes, I have read it.

A pdf copy of it runs to 156 pages. Not particularly straightforward.

Can you sum what the legislation does up in a couple of paragraphs?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by thu2111 »

aasasd wrote: post #443
thu2111 wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

56% in favor. 15% actively against. Majority support even by members of the party that was most against it. When Cameron first called the referendum Remain was in the lead. When topics are debated thoroughly in the public sphere and serious campaigns are run, people's opinions can shift pretty dramatically. That's why politicians campaign. Nobody has ever spent time campaigning to keep railways privatised in the UK b…

I don't even have any stakes in this argument, but: > All that poll says is that people tend to answer "proud" (whatever that's interpreted to mean) when asked about institutions which they frequently interact with and are rarely exposed to any criticism of. You just wrote above: > One day you'll talk to a Brit outside of that bubble and get a real shock to discover they aren't enamoured with the NHS at all. > plenty…

My statements aren't in contradiction: there are absolutely people in the UK who are not enamoured of the NHS and it's not that hard to find them. They are probably not in a majority at the moment, but a well run political campaign could change that, because there are plenty of strong anti-NHS arguments that the population is rarely exposed to.

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Post by aerosmile »

Nextgrid wrote: post #634
aerosmile wrote: post #560

Just an observation that we seem to have two camps here: one camp correctly noting that GDPR was a net positive for the users, and the other camp correctly noting that GDPR was a net negative for startups and SMBs. I am surprised that nobody is realizing that what's bad for startups and SMBs is also ultimately bad for the users, just on a longer timescale (with an equally long reversal period). I remember the US Cong…

Is there any evidence that TikTok's popularity is due to their non-compliance with regulations, and not just being a novelty and them having lots of money to bankroll such a service without annoying the users with ads like FB does?

On the first-order basis, it might be difficult to pinpoint why Facebook "wasn't allowed" to build this product before anyone else.

On the second-order basis, there is an interesting comparison between how well Facebook hindered Snapchat's growth with their rollout of Stories, vs how well it hindered Tiktok's growth with their rollout of Reels (not very). There are obviously a million factors to consider, but I would argue that us taking Facebook through the dirt 1) weakened its hold over its users and 2) triggered a talent exodus, both of which contributed to Facebook's Reels not being as impactful as Stories (viewed strictly through the lens of defending against the new competitor).

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by closeparen »

oliwarner wrote: post #652
closeparen wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

But going through the process where you work out what customer data you need, reviewing how it's stored, letting your customers all this, is good. It's very much more healthy (and lawful) than just mucking on, stuffing data into limitless digital vaults and then not having a clue when all that data gets leaked. In the good old days, paper records had the good manners to take up physical space. It was clear when you h…

Doing that exercise using your own best judgement is better than not doing it, but nowhere near enough to avoid destruction in case someone with an attitude like the parent commenter's is working on your case at one of the data protection agencies.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by heywherelogingo »

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

GDPR is three years old.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by lensopra »

jfengel wrote: post #573
sorokod wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Does there need to be some GDPR compliance thing?" Sounds like you have to learn something before starting a business.

Unfortunately, that's a big cultural shift that a lot of people appear to be having trouble with. We all really enjoyed the days when we could throw together a project and focus on the fun parts. Then came all of the other things we should worry about -- security and scaling, which are at least technical problems, but then things like privacy, moderation, and even legality. It's fun to put up a file-sharing service;…

Well, on the bright side the UK to departing from GDPR. Maybe other countries will follow suit.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dtf »

jjcon wrote: post #545
dtf wrote: post #39

Well say goodbye to EU data adequacy. Although to be honest it probably wouldn’t have survived the first court case given the UK state’s addiction to snooping.

> UK state’s addiction to snooping GDPR has nothing to say on state snooping and if you think Germany or plenty other members aren’t.... I’ve got some bad news for you

Undoubtedly so. What UK is doing wasn't a problem until it was no longer a member.
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