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Audi abandons combustion engine development

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Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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Yeah, I was actually thinking of buying a corvette or other sports car. Because I figure it will be a collectible and worth more money than I pay for it down the line. As they stop making gas cars.

How will you refuel it once there is no gas station network anymore? (Assuming electric Utopia is going to come).

you won't be able to pump at a gas station but you'll still be able to buy cans of racing blends.

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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You making a lot of assumptions that arent born out by current experience. Its not uncommon for 100 year old cars to be registered and driven on public roads today. I personally have registered “daily drivers” from the 1970s and 80s. I actually rebuilt my 1972 motorcycle using factory parts from the dealership. As cars get rare they tend to increase in value, which also increases the return on effort/money put in to…

and when 90+ precent of the cars on the road are EV - where are you going to get gasoline? or think how much an oil change will cost when motor oil becomes a specialty item > You making a lot of assumptions that arent born out by current experience current experience assume easy access to gasoline and motor oil that has been true for 100 years - that will pass in time

I've been wondering if the cutoff is actually much earlier. Say 50% of cars on the road are EV, how many gas stations can continue to run profitably with 50% less customers? Even getting and refining the gas requires massive global supply chains to transport and refine, what happens when there's a 50% drop in customers? Do they lose their efficiencies of scale? Do prices rise substantially as this happens?

I suspect once we reach a certain thresholds it will create other push factors toward EV's and accelerate their adoption.

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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post #40

Yeah, I was actually thinking of buying a corvette or other sports car. Because I figure it will be a collectible and worth more money than I pay for it down the line. As they stop making gas cars.

How will you refuel it once there is no gas station network anymore? (Assuming electric Utopia is going to come).

The same way you can still feed a horse even though they don't have a network of troughs in front of every bar.

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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ICE’s have over a century of development behind them now. I’m not going to miss them, but I wonder if there’s a way to ‘archive’ this kind of specialist mechanical engineering knowledge. It may come in handy one day. It’s depressing to read about engineers having to go to the Smithsonian to study the lunar lander to relearn some of the innovations and improvisations made at the time.

Don’t even have to go back that far. US govt is calling for contractors to reverse engineer b2 bombers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26333649

A B2 bomber and a completely unclassified car engine is a slightly different order of magnitude in terms of complexity.

If you want to run a current F1 car in 40 years time then you will need to RE it however because the Powertrain is complicated and totally custom

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and when 90+ precent of the cars on the road are EV - where are you going to get gasoline? or think how much an oil change will cost when motor oil becomes a specialty item > You making a lot of assumptions that arent born out by current experience current experience assume easy access to gasoline and motor oil that has been true for 100 years - that will pass in time

I've been wondering if the cutoff is actually much earlier. Say 50% of cars on the road are EV, how many gas stations can continue to run profitably with 50% less customers? Even getting and refining the gas requires massive global supply chains to transport and refine, what happens when there's a 50% drop in customers? Do they lose their efficiencies of scale? Do prices rise substantially as this happens? I suspect…

It is my understanding that refineries cannot change the percentage of gasoline that comes from a barrel of oil. If electric cars become as popular as ICE, either gasoline will be used in other things, or other oil distillates will become very expensive. Likely no more cheap air travel, propane, etc.

I expect we will hit a wall that will inhibit adoption.

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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It seems inevitable that much of the practical knowledge is lost. Look at how few old sailing ships survive, despite that being the most advanced transportation technology for centuries. The schematics of the engines will survive, but future generations who study them will struggle to understand the design choices that went into them. I’m happy that might change in the world of software, since so much collaboration i…

> The schematics of the engines will survive, but future generations who study them will struggle to understand the design choices that went into them. > I’m happy that might change in the world of software, since so much collaboration is done online, and future historians will have troves of JIRA tickets to dig through. I doubt it. In my experience, JIRA tickets don't capture much information like that. Also, my emp…

> while technically being more archiveable (e.g. slack, typical meeting recordings), are in practice so disorganized

Think of all the papers this will produce for future historians!

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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Audi is just one of the brands of Volkswagen group. I wonder if Audi will just get support from other groups.

Don't know if it's true or not, but saw a comment elsewhere that said Audi mostly uses engines designed by other VW groups. On the other hand VW is showing a heavy commitment to electric vehicle production.

When VW switched over to 4 cylinder turbo charged engines for emission and fuel standards they turned to Audi to do the development since they had a long history with turbo charging (Quattro).

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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post #24
post #9

Audi is just one of the brands of Volkswagen group. I wonder if Audi will just get support from other groups.

Don't know if it's true or not, but saw a comment elsewhere that said Audi mostly uses engines designed by other VW groups. On the other hand VW is showing a heavy commitment to electric vehicle production.

Also Porsche. Taycan is widely successful.

Re: Audi abandons combustion engine development

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The plans for the Euro 7 standard are “technically a huge challenge with at the same time little benefit for the environment”. “This places extreme restrictions on the internal combustion engine,” Duesmann said.

If the Euro 7 standard has little benefit for the environment, it should be stricter, because the cities are full of toxic gases.

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