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Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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Over time, I believe more public non-profit sites will introduce this. Then for-profit sites. Until Google eventually pays for most of the valuable content it gets today for free. I own multiple sites where I and my users work to produce valuable data (e.g “so so company reviews”, “Is tenet on Disney” and other data of that kind). And what does Google do? Scrap it all and display it on their page. As a result, the pa…

If Google scraping your sites is a bad thing, you want to set "nosnippet" tags on your page [0]. If Google scraping your sites is a good thing, then why are you complaining? I hope Google never starts paying for the links. Once there is a precedent, this becomes an effective blocker for the new search engines, visualizers, and other exciting web search startups. A new search engine startup is not going to be able to…

The one issue I see with this is it is always Opt Out. I feel that google really should be lining up partners to opt-in. While I am sure there is reasons why Google believe they have the right (and a good case can be made), it always feels slightly entitled to just assume that people are OK with this being done to their content.

That being said, of all the sources, Wikipedia actively license their content in such a way that google are well within their rights to slurp it all down and serve it however they want.

Google is already effectively paying for links to news sites as part of the negotiations in Australia. And I agree that this will be a dampener on any competition, I think the era of "ask for forgiveness, rather then permission" needs to stop.

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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Over time, I believe more public non-profit sites will introduce this. Then for-profit sites. Until Google eventually pays for most of the valuable content it gets today for free. I own multiple sites where I and my users work to produce valuable data (e.g “so so company reviews”, “Is tenet on Disney” and other data of that kind). And what does Google do? Scrap it all and display it on their page. As a result, the pa…

While Google can use Wikimedia for free, they do make financial contributors to the Wikimedia ecosystem. https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/01/22/google-and-w...

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #4

Over time, I believe more public non-profit sites will introduce this. Then for-profit sites. Until Google eventually pays for most of the valuable content it gets today for free. I own multiple sites where I and my users work to produce valuable data (e.g “so so company reviews”, “Is tenet on Disney” and other data of that kind). And what does Google do? Scrap it all and display it on their page. As a result, the pa…

> I own multiple sites where I and my users work to produce valuable data How much do you pay your users for the content they generate?

Well nothing because as they said, they can’t monetize the site due to google snatching all the content :)

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #9

Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it? Better way for Wikipedia to earn extra revenue are affiliate links. A lot of people when they read and learn about some topic go to Amazon and buy a book about that topic. Wikipedia could embed book affiliate links and earn commission from book sales.

Well, they are already a big donor:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/annualreport/2019-annu...

> Google Matching Gifts Program

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #9

Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it? Better way for Wikipedia to earn extra revenue are affiliate links. A lot of people when they read and learn about some topic go to Amazon and buy a book about that topic. Wikipedia could embed book affiliate links and earn commission from book sales.

That sounds like a horribly perverse incentive for the world's main free and open source of information.

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #9

Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it? Better way for Wikipedia to earn extra revenue are affiliate links. A lot of people when they read and learn about some topic go to Amazon and buy a book about that topic. Wikipedia could embed book affiliate links and earn commission from book sales.

> Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it?

Google's not the only enterprise out there :) I believe Wikipedia's taxonomy is used by lots of people for ML purposes, for example.

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #9

Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it? Better way for Wikipedia to earn extra revenue are affiliate links. A lot of people when they read and learn about some topic go to Amazon and buy a book about that topic. Wikipedia could embed book affiliate links and earn commission from book sales.

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Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #9

Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it? Better way for Wikipedia to earn extra revenue are affiliate links. A lot of people when they read and learn about some topic go to Amazon and buy a book about that topic. Wikipedia could embed book affiliate links and earn commission from book sales.

Affiliate links seems like a type of advert or they at least share some of the arguments against implementing them on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Funding_Wikipedia_th...

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #7

Over time, I believe more public non-profit sites will introduce this. Then for-profit sites. Until Google eventually pays for most of the valuable content it gets today for free. I own multiple sites where I and my users work to produce valuable data (e.g “so so company reviews”, “Is tenet on Disney” and other data of that kind). And what does Google do? Scrap it all and display it on their page. As a result, the pa…

If Google scraping your sites is a bad thing, you want to set "nosnippet" tags on your page [0]. If Google scraping your sites is a good thing, then why are you complaining? I hope Google never starts paying for the links. Once there is a precedent, this becomes an effective blocker for the new search engines, visualizers, and other exciting web search startups. A new search engine startup is not going to be able to…

I similarly require that producers of motion pictures say "nosteal" at some point in the opening credits otherwise I assume I am free to make copies of the film to share with the internet.

Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Enterprise API

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post #9

Why would Google pay for this when they already crawled and are crawling whole Wikipedia and have complete index of it? Better way for Wikipedia to earn extra revenue are affiliate links. A lot of people when they read and learn about some topic go to Amazon and buy a book about that topic. Wikipedia could embed book affiliate links and earn commission from book sales.

That sounds like a horribly perverse incentive for the world's main free and open source of information.

I mean Wikipedia offers basic information about some topic it's not like you are about to get deep insight unless you buy a book. And I bet Wikipedia generated millions of book sales like I said people who read an article from Wikipedia and went to Amazon or Google to search for a book.
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