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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Apple has a well known exception to the rule requiring an option to subscribe inside the app for “reader” apps, a vaguely defined which includes Netflix, Spotify, Dropbox, and seemingly whatever else is convenient to Apple. Apple did not lift this requirement for the Hey email app during the controversy over that last year. Instead, they reached a compromise where Hey would offer a free trial of their service inside…

I'd like to see them try to enforce that rule with banking apps...

You have a banking subscription?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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there are absolutely controls you can turn on for macs that will do that. I have locked down employees computers because they couldn't be trusted.

I'm always curious about this attitude. Why did you employ them if you felt you couldn't trust them?

Very good question!

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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I'd like to see them try to enforce that rule with banking apps...

You have a banking subscription?

I've got 2 bank accounts which i pay a monthly subscription fee. For instance https://monzo.com/i/monzo-plus/

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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It was just sitting around hooked up to a charger while I was away.

Did it have auto-updates enabled? It might have just been doing what it had been told, and updated itself at some point.

Not that I am aware of... Would an automatic update lock the device?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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On the other hand, I spend 0% of my time managing iOS devices for my parents and am constantly bombarded with issues from my in-laws with Android phones. I agree that some of Apple's behavior is monopolistic and has some unfortunate, possibly unforeseen consequences, but the end result is pretty nice for the consumers who are willing to accept the compromise.

I'm always amazed that in the land of the brave and free butchering general purpose computing machines is supposed to be justified by the fact grandma doesn't install the wrong apps. Funny is this argument always exclusively pops up when it comes to Apple smartphones. Are we supposed to lock every desktop down too because mom and pop installed a wrong toolbar? It's like the reverse 'but think of the children', and pe…

It really does seem that personal responsibility is a dirty word these days. Whether it comes to being able to critical review some news/social media someone has read online or maintaining the computer in your pocket.

I wonder if it's an off-shoot of the concept of 'victim blaming', meaning it's not allowed to lay the responsibility for someones actions on them, there should be safeguards that prevent someone from making a mistake in the first place, even if it's at the expense of people who know that they're doing. I haven't fully fleshed out in idea in my head yet.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Not true at all - you can modify the source code from open source apps, build, and install on your own device without asking permission from Apple or paying a fee for a developer license. The only control Apple has is over app distribution.

Apple actively bans GPL software from the App Store because the GPL precludes distribution of GPL apps under the App Store's terms. Distribution under the App Store's terms is a GPL violation itself.

yes and no.

I believe GPL 2 might be ok.

You can also distribute your own GPL software on the app store, it you dual-license it.

But I believe distributing someone else's GPL 3 software is a problem, because as RMS said he realized he had to add freedom zero, the freedom to RUN the software.

Remember that Apple stops you from RUNNING software, then gives/sells you the permission.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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> In practice, this means you cannot actually put GPL applications on iOS unless you get a CLA from every developer on the project. Again, simply not true. If you obtain the source code, build, and run your own iOS apps on your own device you have no issues with GPL compliance. Honestly I'm disappointed that more open source projects don't go this route. Blender could easily provide an xcode project that anyone can b…

As long as you have a valid developer certificate to sign the app and you have a development provisioning profile and your device is registered as a test device. For that you need to be registered as an iPhone Developer Program member ($99). And you have to constantly renew your profile.

> For that you need to be registered as an iPhone Developer Program member ($99)

Again, simply not true. You don't need a paid developer license for local installs, and this has been the case for a very long time.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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On the other hand, I spend 0% of my time managing iOS devices for my parents and am constantly bombarded with issues from my in-laws with Android phones. I agree that some of Apple's behavior is monopolistic and has some unfortunate, possibly unforeseen consequences, but the end result is pretty nice for the consumers who are willing to accept the compromise.

Not true, it depends on what one is used to. My father for example always used Android, now he got an iPhone and he find it more difficult to use, to the point that it asks me even trivial things. It's a myth that iOS is more simple to use than Android, there are things that are more complicated.

> My father for example always used Android. [...]

> [H]e got an iPhone and he find it more difficult to use [...]

I guess that's precisely because he is used to Android, not because iOS is more difficult.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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You're also leaving out that the VPN is just one part of the larger "Librem One" subscription package. It's something customers discover through Librem's marketing, buy from Librem on Librem's website not using Apple's payment/account systems, and not exclusive to Apple platforms in any way. Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can.

> Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can. This is a bit disingenuous. Apple isn’t forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, they are requiring they give users the option to sign up through the App Store. If most of their customers come from outside the App Store, this won’t make much difference to them. If they make less the $1m through the App Store, it will only be 15%. The…

Arguing these fine points is a waste of time because I feel like people defending this are missing the complete insanity of this situation. Try a different perspective:

Let's say Apple wants to sell their devices at "Billy's Electronics", which is a tiny kiosk at a mall with minimal foot traffic. Billy tells Apple that he'll only sell Apple devices at his kiosk if Apple agrees to give him 30% of all revenues Apple makes from all of their services from customers that buy a device at his kiosk. This includes things like iCloud subscriptions, app store sales, etc.

That's batshit right? Like literal insanity if Apple would accept that deal. So obviously, Apple would tell Billy to fuck off and will find somewhere else to sell their devices.

Except they can't, because Billy is the only person with a license to sell electronics in the entire country. He got this by convincing everyone that he wants to "protect" electronics customers from scammers and other bad people who want to exploit them. The fact that this makes Billy a trillionaire is just a nice little coincidence.

"Sure, I'm the richest entity in the entire history of the universe, but that's not why I'm doing this. I'm doing this so innocent people don't download an app only to discover that they need to go to another website to create an account first." ~ Billy

> If they make less the $1m through the App Store, it will only be 15%

That's a deflection tactic, and doesn't justify anything. 15% is still too much as long as there are no alternatives.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Apple actively bans GPL software from the App Store because the GPL precludes distribution of GPL apps under the App Store's terms. Distribution under the App Store's terms is a GPL violation itself.

yes and no. I believe GPL 2 might be ok. You can also distribute your own GPL software on the app store, it you dual-license it. But I believe distributing someone else's GPL 3 software is a problem, because as RMS said he realized he had to add freedom zero, the freedom to RUN the software. Remember that Apple stops you from RUNNING software, then gives/sells you the permission.

As far as I'm aware, the issue is that the GPL 2 & 3 stipulate that the freedom to copy, modify and distribute any work based on GPL software should not come with any additional restrictions, and the App Store's terms impose additional restrictions on those freedoms.
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