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Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I sometimes wonder how long would it take for the civilization to re-create the current level of technology, if all the material artifacts disappear one day: books, computers, robots, factories, even hammers. If all that remains is the current level of knowledge in the heads of 7bln people, how long would it take from the stone age to Core i7, heart transplants and Boeing 787s? And how much different the world would…

A question I've had about this is where are the ready supplies of materials that could be used in the recreation? Could we spread across the hills and still find iron and copper deposits? Aren't these all played out by now? We would need to shift to another economic base from new materials I think rather than recreate what we had before, because that's gone.

Well, if the artifacts actually disappeared, yes. But if they just got buried somewhere until they rusted into unusability, we could dig up the rust and smelt it.

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I'd like to see someone make a knife without using any modern technology precursors whatsoever. That means starting from using ones hands and what is available from nature in its natural form. I think it'd be quite an accomplishment.

You might want to check out Nova's Secrets of the Samurai Sword. It's a great episode. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/samurai/

On Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Secrets-of-the-Samurai-Sword-No...

Horrible quality, even worse comments, but this is also it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13WAb6ugPng

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- Better Bread? Historically bakers had extremely short lives because without mixers they had to breathe in the flour dust all day. And the bread would have been extremely unevenly cooked (no temperature-regulated ovens), as well as being extremely salty (no preservatives). - Pasta? Pasta is absolutely amazing. It is an extremely dense source of calories, which doesn't rot, is super-compact, and only requires water a…

Sorry, but you're wrong, and I think your racism is showing. Potatoes have been eaten for 7000 years, and tomatoes for 2500 years. They were introduced into Europe in the sixteenth century (and tomatoes weren't eaten there at first), but here in America, we've been eating them since well before medieval times.

Saying that potatoes is new is not racist, but it is ethnocentric.

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Bought his ore? Terry Pratchett dug his own ore from his estate when he smelted the iron for his sword, though he used a blacksmith after getting to the iron bar stage. http://www.news.com.au/technology/terry-pratchett-creates-a-... (Being a knight no longer conveys the right to carry a sword, it is a violation of the knife laws, so he keeps the sword hidden. Such days.)

> Being a knight no longer conveys the right to carry a sword Come to America. Open/concealed carry is legal for every sane and non-felonious adult in many areas, gentleman and commoner alike.

Be careful - some knives, such as switchblades and dirks/double-edged knives, are illegal/restricted in a lot of places.

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I'd like to see someone make a knife without using any modern technology precursors whatsoever. That means starting from using ones hands and what is available from nature in its natural form. I think it'd be quite an accomplishment.

People already do this. Some only go so far as stone blades, or allow modern tools for certain steps. Others bootstrap the whole process from stone-age to steel. I've never done it. It's incredibly time consuming but satisfying, from the first hand accounts I've read. You can cut hours or days off of your work time by using modern tools for some of the most seemingly trivial steps.

You must tell us more. Who are these real life Minecraft players? I just registered this account to write this.

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It's reasons like this, that I really wonder if someone from today were to time travel into the past if anything they know would be useful at all. Medieval people would probably think we're all idiots.

Which someone? The average city dweller? Probably. A farmer? Not at all. What they do hasn't really changed; just gotten much, much more efficient. Same goes for a civil engineer; would be very useful in medieval times. Software engineer not so much!

I think you are dramatically underestimating the knowledge of modern farmers. Here are some areas that have changed: irrigation has changed radically in the last 40 years, fertilizers, companion planting, industrialized processes, storage and safer practices. Most farmers would make more difference than an engineer would make because in the past the majority of people were farmers. Don't forget that the main reason for migration to cities has been changes in agriculture (less labour needed, lower costs, globalisation).

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I think he's trying to make a knife from scratch, not make a knife only using stone-age technology.

Hey, I get it and I think it's actually a neat project. But "from scratch" is an entirely meaningless phrase.

Would you rather the title was "Man builds knife from raw materials but using modern tools, and has to build a smelter first" or something?

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I sometimes wonder how long would it take for the civilization to re-create the current level of technology, if all the material artifacts disappear one day: books, computers, robots, factories, even hammers. If all that remains is the current level of knowledge in the heads of 7bln people, how long would it take from the stone age to Core i7, heart transplants and Boeing 787s? And how much different the world would…

I suspect progress would be really fast. Even if you can't find someone who has the right knowledge to do X, simply know that X can be done would make all the difference.

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I've never made any pasta from scratch, but they sell whole-wheat pasta at my local grocer, so I assume it must be possible.

I've seen it too, but it's not regular pasta, it has some other ingredients, so I'm not sure you could make it by hand successfully. I don't actually know if you can or not, I was just wondering.

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/whole-wheat-pasta/Detail.aspx

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It's reasons like this, that I really wonder if someone from today were to time travel into the past if anything they know would be useful at all. Medieval people would probably think we're all idiots.

Simple knowledge, such as the disease model of sickness and "microorganisms exist, keep things clean" would be useful. You could probably cobble together a water-drop microscope and demonstrate the difference between (say) clean wounds and infected ones. Fleas = plague. All that. Knowing how to distill hard liquor would make you popular as well.

Making hard liquor worth drinking is surprisingly difficult. It's lot easier if you know how to make activated carbon, but making activated carbon is difficult with equipment of that age(possible though).
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