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Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I sometimes wonder how long would it take for the civilization to re-create the current level of technology, if all the material artifacts disappear one day: books, computers, robots, factories, even hammers. If all that remains is the current level of knowledge in the heads of 7bln people, how long would it take from the stone age to Core i7, heart transplants and Boeing 787s? And how much different the world would…

A question I've had about this is where are the ready supplies of materials that could be used in the recreation? Could we spread across the hills and still find iron and copper deposits? Aren't these all played out by now? We would need to shift to another economic base from new materials I think rather than recreate what we had before, because that's gone.

According to http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/11/building-a-telegrap... the materials still exist, at least in sufficient amounts to build a simple telegraph.

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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Pasta is an amazing invention. It's functionally similar to hard tack except it can be prepared to an edible state very quickly with merely boiling water and also tastes much better.

Can you make pasta with whole grain flour? I'm not sure milling techniques available in those days were able to make the right kind of flour. Also without fortifying the flour pasta is calories without nutrients. It's useful as a suplement, but dangerous to live on it long term.

I've never made any pasta from scratch, but they sell whole-wheat pasta at my local grocer, so I assume it must be possible.

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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It's reasons like this, that I really wonder if someone from today were to time travel into the past if anything they know would be useful at all. Medieval people would probably think we're all idiots.

Which someone? The average city dweller? Probably. A farmer? Not at all. What they do hasn't really changed; just gotten much, much more efficient.

Same goes for a civil engineer; would be very useful in medieval times. Software engineer not so much!

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I remember a cooperative online game, with a mostly text-only interface, in which you could build smelters and tools and climb gradually the tech tree. It was very detailed and interesting but I lost track of its name and URL. Does it ring a bell for anybody?

Dwarf Fortress, perhaps?

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I remember a cooperative online game, with a mostly text-only interface, in which you could build smelters and tools and climb gradually the tech tree. It was very detailed and interesting but I lost track of its name and URL. Does it ring a bell for anybody?

Dwarf Fortress, perhaps?

That's probably what he means, but the same is true for the more-accessible Minecraft.

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I'd like to see someone make a knife without using any modern technology precursors whatsoever. That means starting from using ones hands and what is available from nature in its natural form. I think it'd be quite an accomplishment.

People already do this. Some only go so far as stone blades, or allow modern tools for certain steps. Others bootstrap the whole process from stone-age to steel. I've never done it. It's incredibly time consuming but satisfying, from the first hand accounts I've read. You can cut hours or days off of your work time by using modern tools for some of the most seemingly trivial steps.

Who are these people? Do they stop at steel? What should I be Googling?

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I'm curious as to what easy advances there were in cooking. Do you mean something along the lines of better heat sources or do you mean recipes?

- Better Bread? Historically bakers had extremely short lives because without mixers they had to breathe in the flour dust all day. And the bread would have been extremely unevenly cooked (no temperature-regulated ovens), as well as being extremely salty (no preservatives). - Pasta? Pasta is absolutely amazing. It is an extremely dense source of calories, which doesn't rot, is super-compact, and only requires water a…

Sorry, but you're wrong, and I think your racism is showing. Potatoes have been eaten for 7000 years, and tomatoes for 2500 years. They were introduced into Europe in the sixteenth century (and tomatoes weren't eaten there at first), but here in America, we've been eating them since well before medieval times.

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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I remember a cooperative online game, with a mostly text-only interface, in which you could build smelters and tools and climb gradually the tech tree. It was very detailed and interesting but I lost track of its name and URL. Does it ring a bell for anybody?

Sounds like my own game, Shintolin (http://www.shintolin.co.uk). It was a mostly text-based multiplayer game set in the stone age, where players started from scratch but could gradually develop the tools to build a village and farm. I planned to have a whole technology progression through bronze and iron age technology, but I stopped working on it a while ago (it still has a few players though). Don't know if it's the one you're talking about.

Re: Guy makes a knife from scratch. He has to make a smelter first.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you make pasta with whole grain flour? I'm not sure milling techniques available in those days were able to make the right kind of flour. Also without fortifying the flour pasta is calories without nutrients. It's useful as a suplement, but dangerous to live on it long term.

I've never made any pasta from scratch, but they sell whole-wheat pasta at my local grocer, so I assume it must be possible.

I've seen it too, but it's not regular pasta, it has some other ingredients, so I'm not sure you could make it by hand successfully.

I don't actually know if you can or not, I was just wondering.

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