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Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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>and no recourse Just curious, the Apple Store was also unable to help you? Hope you are able to recover the data. :/

Thank you. This just happened, so I have not been to an Apple Store yet. There isn't one near me, and it is not easy to get to the far removed ones. It may be weeks or months before I can visit one.

This is just "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" territory.

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It is still absolutely fascinating to me how we have arrived at a point where in order to use one's own device properly, one has to ask a US company nicely or be unable to do so - and people pay money for it. On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple. 30% of the world's population would, if their government cut a deal with Apple, be unable to install…

I’m paying for a walled garden. I own the hardware, and with it bought software which I want to aggressively maintain it.

If you don’t like the product, don’t buy it. Don’t compel them to satisfy your whim via police power of the state.

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Also would like a citation. Onboarding mac users at work is "here's your .ovpn file, go install Tunnelblick and import it, start connection, and go".

Tunnelblick uses OpenVPN under the hood, which means it's using a TUN/TAP virtual NIC. LeoPantera is referring to the new way of creating VPNs in macOS and iOS, the Network Extension framework. You need an entitlement to develop with that framework, and sideloading is not possible. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/networkextension https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/en... I have no idea…

Well the Wireguard app exists both for macOS and iOS so I guess is not that big deal to support VPN on these systems.

Also services like this one to circumvent the Apple policy couldn't just give you a Wireguard configuration file and say to you "just install the Wireguard app and import the config"? It would work and of course Apple couldn't do anything (beside removing the whole Wireguard app from the store).

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The only way to prevent large, billion+ dollar corporations from existing is via highly intrusive state regulation, so people who are appalled by the monopolistic and authoritarian behaviors of big tech should really be asking themselves (1) whether they are against capitalism, because there isn’t a model of optimizing economies for market freedom and profit that disallows the existence of billion/trillion dollar com…

What I find amazing is that in this capitalist world, these companies are really against private property (yours, not theirs) I am not sure if private property is in the definition of capitalism, probably not, so there may be no contradiction. But still it is really amazing.

Capitalism is about using capital to produce something. Capital and the means of production are privately owned. This is the opposite of communism, which lets people own things but not the production system (actual implementations might vary.)

It's in the spirit of capitalism to be competitive so don't be surprised if those companies want all those things from us.

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Also would like a citation. Onboarding mac users at work is "here's your .ovpn file, go install Tunnelblick and import it, start connection, and go".

Tunnelblick uses OpenVPN under the hood, which means it's using a TUN/TAP virtual NIC. LeoPantera is referring to the new way of creating VPNs in macOS and iOS, the Network Extension framework. You need an entitlement to develop with that framework, and sideloading is not possible. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/networkextension https://developer.apple.com/documentation/bundleresources/en... I have no idea…

After Big Sur deprecated network kexts, I switched over to Viscosity-- which is another OpenVPN client, and supports both tun and tap VPNs without an extension (using only built-in macOS capabilities).

It does not require the Network Extension framework, is not App Store distributed, and does not have any entitlements. (It is Developer ID signed and notarized, but that's just for user convenience; it'd work just fine unsigned if the user wanted to click through macOS's warnings to get there.)

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To use your analogy, there is only one road and it is a toll road. Maybe they are ok with a side road, but there is none. The only thing tired is extractive monopolies. Funnily enough, Apple could make a few small tweaks and not be in this category. They've chosen instead to double down on exerting their market power.

And? That’s how I want it. If you want viruses distributed by your App Store, go for it, Android is waiting for you. I want a tightly regulated relatively well run platform, not an open one. My phone is mission critical. There isn’t an open platform that can handle that responsibility, like say, Linux in the Cloud.

Isn’t the sensible option then to allow third party app stores? If you want a tightly regulated environment only stick to the official channels. Apple can continue to charge their premium for that.

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I'm not using Windows.

I wrote that it might not help. But VMs (or separate HDDs) are a thing too.

you expect someone to pay for a windows license just so they can run itunes just to reactivate a device they own?

seems a bit much

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I wrote that it might not help. But VMs (or separate HDDs) are a thing too.

you expect someone to pay for a windows license just so they can run itunes just to reactivate a device they own? seems a bit much

No need to pay, you can run Windows 10 without activation. I think it was either 90 or 180 days, so should be plenty of time to recover the device.

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On the other hand, I spend 0% of my time managing iOS devices for my parents and am constantly bombarded with issues from my in-laws with Android phones. I agree that some of Apple's behavior is monopolistic and has some unfortunate, possibly unforeseen consequences, but the end result is pretty nice for the consumers who are willing to accept the compromise.

I'm always amazed that in the land of the brave and free butchering general purpose computing machines is supposed to be justified by the fact grandma doesn't install the wrong apps. Funny is this argument always exclusively pops up when it comes to Apple smartphones. Are we supposed to lock every desktop down too because mom and pop installed a wrong toolbar? It's like the reverse 'but think of the children', and pe…

there are absolutely controls you can turn on for macs that will do that. I have locked down employees computers because they couldn't be trusted.

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you expect someone to pay for a windows license just so they can run itunes just to reactivate a device they own? seems a bit much

No need to pay, you can run Windows 10 without activation. I think it was either 90 or 180 days, so should be plenty of time to recover the device.

You can run it forever as long as you are fine with the Please Activate text in the corner and having personalization restricted.
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