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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #56
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's got to be a carrier thing. iPads do not "require activation," and many iPads are wifi-only. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, but I am extremely skeptical it is a problem caused by Big Bad Evil Apple doing Big Bad Evil things.

How do you figure this problem is not caused by Apple, when I bought the iPad outright from Apple and only used the carrier for monthly-paid network access?

Because iPads don't require activation, and carrier services do require activation. The "Activation Required" message is specifically related to cellular networking.

This could be (and I suspect very likely is) a problem with your iPad's SIM that you could check by powering off the iPad, removing the SIM and turning it back on again. It could be that there's some kind of corruption that you might need to fix by connecting it up to iTunes or even bringing to the dreaded Genius Bar. It could conceivably be some weird bug in iOS that has somehow sprung up and turned your iPad into a flat flowerpot. All of these things suck! But what it is not is Apple forcing you to "authorize" your iPad in order to let it boot up.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by zapzupnz »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #54
Angostura wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like it was an iPad with a SIM snd somehow the carrier SIM has gone bad. Pop a new SIM in and reactivate?

Thanks, it is indeed a SIM-capable iPad. I had no idea this kind of thing could happen with it. I appreciate your lead, though I'm not sure where I would get a new SIM? It hasn't been hooked up to the network for several years now, why would it "go bad" now? Also, do you know if I could have prevented this by removing the SIM before it happened?

> I’m not sure where I could get a new SIM?

Do you have a mobile phone? Pop it out, put it in the iPad, activate it, take it out again.

In New Zealand, where I’m from, you can get SIM cards from supermarkets, petrol stations, convenience stores …

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by zapzupnz »

meepmorp wrote: post #47
akmarinov wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sucks, they don't require it of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, Disney, etc What Librem are doing is the right thing though - go to the press, raise a big stink and Apple will back off. It's been proven to work time and time again.

> It sucks, they don't require it of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, Disney, etc I believe they do require this of large companies; it's been a while, but IIRC Netflix and Disney+ both allow you to sign up for the service in the app. The HBO app does, too. You can log in with an existing account, but I thought the requirement was that you need to give a user the ability to sign up for a paid service account in app, and tha…

Netflix took out their sign up screen years ago; you have to subscribe via the website.

Disney+ does let you subscribe through Apple.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by zapzupnz »

m-p-3 wrote: post #20
imwillofficial wrote: post #3

This article is tired excuses dressed up as freedom. They want to travel the road but not pay the toll.

On top of letting the toll take 30% on the merchandise on each deliveries on the ONLY road available on their platform. They already pay their Apple Developer Program yearly membership fees. If Apples deem this isn't enough, then they should raise the cost to properly take that into account.

That would preclude smaller developers, people who pay the subscription but don’t submit apps but rather use other benefits of the program, and people who only or mostly make free apps.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by ziml77 »

bogwog wrote: post #29
protomyth wrote: post #6

Apple is requiring us to add the ability to sign up and pay for Librem One subscriptions within the Librem Tunnel app before they will allow updated versions into the App Store. This the basically the summation of it all. Doesn't Apple require the ability to have anonymous logins too when creating accounts on iDevices?

You're also leaving out that the VPN is just one part of the larger "Librem One" subscription package. It's something customers discover through Librem's marketing, buy from Librem on Librem's website not using Apple's payment/account systems, and not exclusive to Apple platforms in any way. Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can.

They want the experience to be that if you download an app that needs payment to function, it's possible to pay using the same payment flow as everything else. You don't have to hand over your payment information to a third party.

Maybe Apple needs to make changes to allow apps that are only a part of a service instead of the main selling point of the service to bypass those rules? Seems like it would be tough to figure out what is and isn't covered though.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by protomyth »

akmarinov wrote: post #23
protomyth wrote: post #6

Apple is requiring us to add the ability to sign up and pay for Librem One subscriptions within the Librem Tunnel app before they will allow updated versions into the App Store. This the basically the summation of it all. Doesn't Apple require the ability to have anonymous logins too when creating accounts on iDevices?

It sucks, they don't require it of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, Disney, etc What Librem are doing is the right thing though - go to the press, raise a big stink and Apple will back off. It's been proven to work time and time again.

Yeah. Apple says they don't like developers going to the press, but its pretty much the only thing that actually works.

Well, for devices, its basically customer support via threat of class action lawsuit. I'm still a little miffed I had to pay $79 three times to "fix" the iPhone 6 and didn't get a refund after they finally acknowledged the issue.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by protomyth »

vbezhenar wrote: post #48
bogwog wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're also leaving out that the VPN is just one part of the larger "Librem One" subscription package. It's something customers discover through Librem's marketing, buy from Librem on Librem's website not using Apple's payment/account systems, and not exclusive to Apple platforms in any way. Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can.

What about customers who have found an app in AppStore, wanted to try it out only to find that they need to go through external websites and stuff. Not kind of UX you expect from iPhone.

Apple got paid for the phone and wouldn't have the app in its app store except for the requirement it be there to be installed in the first place. Rewarding a company for forced discovery is not a healthy thing.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #71
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure this problem is not caused by Apple, when I bought the iPad outright from Apple and only used the carrier for monthly-paid network access?

Because iPads don't require activation, and carrier services do require activation. The "Activation Required" message is specifically related to cellular networking. This could be (and I suspect very likely is) a problem with your iPad's SIM that you could check by powering off the iPad, removing the SIM and turning it back on again. It could be that there's some kind of corruption that you might need to fix by conne…

I don't think it makes sense that cellular activation, which has not been active for several years now, would lock down the entire device, refusing me access to my own data, not to mention being able to use the device over local WiFi network.

Do you disagree?

(I am nowhere near a "Genius Bar".)

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by imwillofficial »

adamcstephens wrote: post #24
imwillofficial wrote: post #3

This article is tired excuses dressed up as freedom. They want to travel the road but not pay the toll.

To use your analogy, there is only one road and it is a toll road. Maybe they are ok with a side road, but there is none. The only thing tired is extractive monopolies. Funnily enough, Apple could make a few small tweaks and not be in this category. They've chosen instead to double down on exerting their market power.

And? That’s how I want it. If you want viruses distributed by your App Store, go for it, Android is waiting for you. I want a tightly regulated relatively well run platform, not an open one. My phone is mission critical. There isn’t an open platform that can handle that responsibility, like say, Linux in the Cloud.
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