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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

Angostura wrote: post #46
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #4

A few years ago, I got my grandmother an iPad. She used it for years until she passed. I just powered it on yesterday and it now "requires activation", which won't complete via WiFi. All the data on it, e.g. pictures, is now inaccessible. It is, effectively, bricked. I'll sooner eat a pile of shit before I ever touch or recommend another Apple product again. Edit: To clarify, it was never locked or password protected…

Sounds like it was an iPad with a SIM snd somehow the carrier SIM has gone bad. Pop a new SIM in and reactivate?

Yes, that's got to be a carrier thing. iPads do not "require activation," and many iPads are wifi-only.

I'm not saying this isn't a problem, but I am extremely skeptical it is a problem caused by Big Bad Evil Apple doing Big Bad Evil things.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by anonymou2 »

jsperson wrote: post #25
pojntfx wrote: post #5

It is still absolutely fascinating to me how we have arrived at a point where in order to use one's own device properly, one has to ask a US company nicely or be unable to do so - and people pay money for it. On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple. 30% of the world's population would, if their government cut a deal with Apple, be unable to install…

On the other hand, I spend 0% of my time managing iOS devices for my parents and am constantly bombarded with issues from my in-laws with Android phones. I agree that some of Apple's behavior is monopolistic and has some unfortunate, possibly unforeseen consequences, but the end result is pretty nice for the consumers who are willing to accept the compromise.

I suppose it is not so bad to be a serf. Your master feeds you and you don't have to worry about getting food.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

moistbar wrote: post #45
nemothekid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple won't let me to break into an iPad I don't own" isn't as bad as you are trying to make it seem. In other words, why are you surprised that you can't hack into an Apple device?

That's an interesting take on "this non-password-protected, non-LTE iPad that I do own abruptly stopped letting me look at data I was able to see recently."

It was on the cell network, but it was purchased outright, not under contract.

It does sound like the other commenter's theory that the SIM has "gone bad" may be true, but I had no idea this could happen, and I don't see how that makes it any more valid.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

Angostura wrote: post #46
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #4

A few years ago, I got my grandmother an iPad. She used it for years until she passed. I just powered it on yesterday and it now "requires activation", which won't complete via WiFi. All the data on it, e.g. pictures, is now inaccessible. It is, effectively, bricked. I'll sooner eat a pile of shit before I ever touch or recommend another Apple product again. Edit: To clarify, it was never locked or password protected…

Sounds like it was an iPad with a SIM snd somehow the carrier SIM has gone bad. Pop a new SIM in and reactivate?

Thanks, it is indeed a SIM-capable iPad. I had no idea this kind of thing could happen with it. I appreciate your lead, though I'm not sure where I would get a new SIM? It hasn't been hooked up to the network for several years now, why would it "go bad" now?

Also, do you know if I could have prevented this by removing the SIM before it happened?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

incongruity wrote: post #21

If I understand correctly, Apple would only get 30% of the in-app subscriptions but not those from outside the app? If so, I think there are likely multiple motivations here. Apple has long been willing to force certain standardizations in the name of simple and uniform user experiences (they’re not perfect but the intent is clearly there). Having to drop out of an app experience to do something isn’t good UX - so en…

You do understand correctly, yes. (Also, Apple only gets 30% of the in-app subscriptions in the first year, then it drops to 15%.)

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #51
Angostura wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like it was an iPad with a SIM snd somehow the carrier SIM has gone bad. Pop a new SIM in and reactivate?

Yes, that's got to be a carrier thing. iPads do not "require activation," and many iPads are wifi-only. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, but I am extremely skeptical it is a problem caused by Big Bad Evil Apple doing Big Bad Evil things.

How do you figure this problem is not caused by Apple, when I bought the iPad outright from Apple and only used the carrier for monthly-paid network access?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by anonymou2 »

3grdlurker wrote: post #37
pojntfx wrote: post #5

It is still absolutely fascinating to me how we have arrived at a point where in order to use one's own device properly, one has to ask a US company nicely or be unable to do so - and people pay money for it. On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple. 30% of the world's population would, if their government cut a deal with Apple, be unable to install…

The only way to prevent large, billion+ dollar corporations from existing is via highly intrusive state regulation, so people who are appalled by the monopolistic and authoritarian behaviors of big tech should really be asking themselves (1) whether they are against capitalism, because there isn’t a model of optimizing economies for market freedom and profit that disallows the existence of billion/trillion dollar com…

What I find amazing is that in this capitalist world, these companies are really against private property (yours, not theirs) I am not sure if private property is in the definition of capitalism, probably not, so there may be no contradiction. But still it is really amazing.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by 3grdlurker »

Can somebody provide a direct answer to the question of why Apple’s App Store policies are bad? The argument that always comes up is that it is anti-competitive, but how does that not encroach on every business owner’s right to decide who they want to do business with, how they want to run their businesses, and how they design their platforms?

Also, one of the examples that always comes up in these discussions is how Internet Explorer came to be dominant in the 90s and 00s stifling innovation in the web, but if you look at how it was dethroned, it wasn’t dethroned because of government regulation; IE was dethroned because more innovative products entered the market, i.e. Firefox and Chrome, and this all happened under the framework of free market capitalism. What, then, is the argument for regulating Apple, and what exactly is the expected outcome?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

Shivetya wrote: post #38
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #4

A few years ago, I got my grandmother an iPad. She used it for years until she passed. I just powered it on yesterday and it now "requires activation", which won't complete via WiFi. All the data on it, e.g. pictures, is now inaccessible. It is, effectively, bricked. I'll sooner eat a pile of shit before I ever touch or recommend another Apple product again. Edit: To clarify, it was never locked or password protected…

Okay. I just had to recover my father's iPad account; he's alive but lets just say aggravating at times getting him to do what he is told to do. Since he bricked his iPad I had to submit a recovery through iCloud and that invokes a twenty four hour delay before it sends recovery information to his listed authentication device; as in his telephone. So that comes in which directs you to apple.com/recover or such and wh…

Thank you for your help. It has never been passcode-protected, and it does sound similar to the issue you experienced. I'll try getting in touch with Apple to see if they can help.

I've quite a bit of experience with consumer tech, but I did not anticipate this kind of issue happening. I don't think it's right that the iPad can just lock itself and require Apple's intervention to make usable and access the data stored.

I will definitely never consider any Apple device as a gift to anyone ever again. I chose Apple for the same reason another commenter suggested, to reduce problems with support calls. But this eclipses all the times put together I would've had to help her with another device.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

trevor-e wrote: post #44
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was never locked before, not even a four-digit screen lock. I have no idea why this happened and no recourse.

>and no recourse Just curious, the Apple Store was also unable to help you? Hope you are able to recover the data. :/

Thank you. This just happened, so I have not been to an Apple Store yet. There isn't one near me, and it is not easy to get to the far removed ones. It may be weeks or months before I can visit one.
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