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Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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This is totally wrong, considering Stripe has enormous negotiating leverage. My employer never bothers switching to any competitor because Stripe match any deal that their competitors present to us. Could you, a single person and $500m of seed funding match Stripe's prices? Not without hemorrhaging cash. One of Amazon's moats is low pricing as well, which can only be achieved with eye-watering scale (their margins ar…

Fun fact: I presented Stripe an opportunity to meet or beat a proposal by Braintree. They countered with a microscopic fee decrease and wanted to lock us into a 2 year deal. Not only was the offer from Braintree way better, they gave us a better deal on PayPal fees as well. Stripe’s focus on their supplementary offerings, like Billing (which used to be effectively free) and Checkout show that they’re trying to eat mo…

But did you switch to Braintree.

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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Is Stripe unprofitable? What kind of scale are they going to reach that will push them over the edge into the black that they haven't been able to reach at the vast scale they already have? If they are profitable, why go the expensive equity route rather than using retained earnings? Or bonds? American Airlines recently sold $10 billion of them at 5.5%. Surely Stripe could do just as well or better.

From the article: Keeping away from the public markets has allowed Stripe to keep a tight lid on financial details; it has not disclosed revenues or profitability. However, a person close to the San Francisco-based company said it handles a larger volume of payments than its European rival Adyen, which has a market capitalisation of €60bn and processed €303.6bn in 2020.

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Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

#93
post #87

Is Stripe unprofitable? What kind of scale are they going to reach that will push them over the edge into the black that they haven't been able to reach at the vast scale they already have? If they are profitable, why go the expensive equity route rather than using retained earnings? Or bonds? American Airlines recently sold $10 billion of them at 5.5%. Surely Stripe could do just as well or better.

From the article: Keeping away from the public markets has allowed Stripe to keep a tight lid on financial details; it has not disclosed revenues or profitability. However, a person close to the San Francisco-based company said it handles a larger volume of payments than its European rival Adyen, which has a market capitalisation of €60bn and processed €303.6bn in 2020.

Is everyone taking a huge dilution hit worth that 'tight lid'?

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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post #80

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Wouldn’t this just mean that countries with larger land mass get more investment rather than countries with more people?

Well, (my) darts aren't accurate, so, maybe? I couldn't hit Belgium from 3m away but I probably couldn't hit USA either. I'm thinking water still wins. And it depends on the map projection too. Maybe the dart is to focus on that specific circular area, like 10km radius or something? Or maybe every group gets an equal slice on the dart board? Just something to help distribution rather than some money-motivated/short-t…

Ah, my snarky comment turns into a legit technical question.

Well, throwing a dart wouldn't be too bad though....

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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> This certainly makes Stripe the most valuable private startup in the world. Stripe has not been a startup for a while, they've been in public operations for about 10 years now and probably power a large portion of online purchases.

true. any word on their market share %?

They started processing a portion of Amazon.com's purchases back in 2017 and I'm guessing that portion has probably grown since then.

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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At the end of the day someone has to pay the interchange fees.

Sure, but not necessarily the ridiculously high ones. You could just cap them to a reasonably low percentage. In the EU it's 0.3% on credit cards and 0.2% on debit cards. Edit: This is also reflected in Stripe's pricing. They charge EU customers 1.4%+25ct on EU cards and honestly you can go lower. Adyen does Interchange++ and 10ct, which if you're not a big customer probably works out to around 1%+10ct.

"you could just cap them" = (legislation could be enacted which capped them || banks could agree to reduce them).

Neither is especially likely at this point in the US.

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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am i the only one that thinks fintech is massively overvalued? especially square etc, or anything adjacent. sure they have great growth and revenue but i don’t see any path where profit can justify the value

The main value for Stripe is not in the payments processing itself (I would estimate they take about 0.2% from TPV as fees). The main value is the add on services, and in particular short term loans to SMBs secured by incoming payments. Overall, Stripe is a strong and successful business with room to grow. Is >100x P/E justified? Probably not from pure financial perspective. However if you take into account “hype” th…

It's not e.

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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post #55

am i the only one that thinks fintech is massively overvalued? especially square etc, or anything adjacent. sure they have great growth and revenue but i don’t see any path where profit can justify the value

You aren't the only one. That being said, the markets they play in will probably end up bigger than you might expect. Plus, the competition is pretty bad. Stripe has a good number of people who have 20 iq points + more ambition when compared to the equivalent person working at a competitor.

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

#99
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, (my) darts aren't accurate, so, maybe? I couldn't hit Belgium from 3m away but I probably couldn't hit USA either. I'm thinking water still wins. And it depends on the map projection too. Maybe the dart is to focus on that specific circular area, like 10km radius or something? Or maybe every group gets an equal slice on the dart board? Just something to help distribution rather than some money-motivated/short-t…

Ah, my snarky comment turns into a legit technical question. Well, throwing a dart wouldn't be too bad though....

This is fun! To test the theory I just threw a pointy pen at the map I have hanging on my wall 5x - 3x water, 1x Ethiopia, 1x USA. Unfortunately I have to do some real work otherwise I'd do a few hundred more and see where we ended up

edit: Looking at my map, I think they arbitrarily shrank the size of the oceans to prioritize landmass (it's one of those ones where you scratch off the countries you've been to), so it's quite possible that the proportion of darts hitting water would be higher normally

Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising

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post #54

Stripe are an engineering first company. You even see the Collison brothers posting here on a regular basis. Creating great tech is built into the DNA of the company. Great to see them investing further in their home country as well, and mentioning that some of their global leadership team will be based in Dublin.

Ireland is also a tax haven, but sure, they're benevolently investing in their home country, that's totally what it is.

I always read comments like this as: "Every country with lower corporate tax rates than my own is a tax haven"

If a company does business within your borders while your army looks on and the populace waxes lyrical about it being unjust, who is really at fault for that?

Do foreign countries not have the right of sovereignty to make their own laws and tax rates?

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