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Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by Zarel »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #212
jamienicol wrote: post #174

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That's the same argument Emacs developers use to justify alt (sorry, "meta") + w as copy. But it's a terrible argument. (In the Mac case at least using cmd+c is superior, and even works in Emacs!)

Is that the default meta key? If so then thanks. I've had a really hard time getting that info from emacs users so I haven't been able to try it.

Meta is usually Alt in emacs, but it should be noted that everywhere else, Meta usually refers to Super (which is called "Cmd" in Macs and "Windows Logo Key" in Windows).

(And macOS's built-in emacs keybindings available in every textbox uses ctrl+opt for meta.)

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by SebastianKra »

beloch wrote: post #12

The difference between Mac and PC keyboards is a real usability problem. If you're used to PC's or Linux, moving to a Mac and dealing with their shortcuts is painful, and vice-versa. The worst is using a mixture of both Mac's and PC's on a daily basis. Moving back and forth between platforms daily means you either have to get used to hitting the wrong shortcuts or use a hack to swap keys around on one platform so you…

> Different people will have a preference for one layout vs the other but, in reality, the layout that feels good is what you're used to.

While it's true that a familiar system will initially feel better than an unknown alternative, this doesn't mean that some systems can't be better than others.

From my personal experience and from the comments in this thread, I think it's safe to conclude that the Mac is better here.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by desmap »

mokanfar wrote: post #227
desmap wrote: post #203

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i had space when pressed remapped with ahk but couldn't get it to work reliably typing above 80wpm, how is it with touch cursor?

I can type 100+ wpm reliably with touch cursor. AHK is not recommended for space bar dual role functionality for the reasons you mentioned.

Ok good to know, I just installed it together with AHK and somehow they must interfere which each other even if I suspended or paused AHK's script.

TouchCursor sometimes is deactive and then after a few seconds again it works again...

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by desmap »

limeblack wrote: post #200
desmap wrote: post #199

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nice, just tried to find some places where can find more models, like smaller layouts etc, but couldn't anything, neither on ali, amazon and ebay. Where do people buy Japanese keyboards except in Japan?

Try https://www.amazon.co.jp/

Ok this was easy. Don't know why I haven't checked Amazon JP...

Just checked and you can even order from Amazon JP and let ship to Europe. Nice, problem seems to be solved. Did you ever order something from them?

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by silon42 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #206
quesera wrote: post #65

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I'm having difficulty parsing your rant. I can't tell if we agree or not. :) Ctrl+C is a method of generating a standard ASCII character which has meant "ETX" (end of text, sometimes "interrupt") for many decades. Other control chars are useful too. In addition to C, I use S, Q, D, Z, V, O, N, I, G, H, M, L, J, Y, A, E, K, W ... probably others ... fairly regularly. So in the early 1980s, along comes MacOS which need…

>Microsoft says "eh, who cares let's break it all", and reuses Ctrl+C for copy. It wasn't Microsoft though. Common GUI hotkeys like Ctrl+Z/X/C/V/P were introduced in Xerox Alto first, and everybody else used this as a convention, including Microsoft. I'm not sure what hotkeys Alto Executive used, and whether there was a mnemonic conflict at all.

Originally Microsoft used Alt+Backspace,Ctrl/Shift+Insert/Delete, Ctrl+ZXVC was introduced later (probably around XP... maybe earlier in Office)

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by toxik »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #185
toxik wrote: post #181

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That’s not true, iTerm2 doesn’t overwrite your clipboard. It, like it’s forebears, uses a separate selection buffer. The only way to paste from it is middle mouse button as far as I know.

It 100% does. The "Copy to pasteboard on selection" option causes selected text to overwrite whatever's on the clipboard, and I just checked. It's possible that this isn't enabled by default, but I'm virtually certain it is because it catches me out every time.

Aha well then, we have differing experiences

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by cardamomo »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #197
cardamomo wrote: post #13

What I really want, though, is Mac-style character-entry in Linux. It's so much easier to type accented characters in Mac.

You will inevitably need dedicated keys (e.g. use the numbers row for this, keypad for numbers) for accented characters if you use type in an accented language actively. For cases when you just want an accent occasionally compose key is great. The Mac way (long-press, select) looks cool but it hardly is convenient to press and wait seconds for every accent if it's there in almost every word.

Ah, I meant the older Mac way, which is similar to some Linux approaches. Option+[key], then the character you're trying to modify.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by limeblack »

desmap wrote: post #234
limeblack wrote: post #200

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Try https://www.amazon.co.jp/

Ok this was easy. Don't know why I haven't checked Amazon JP... Just checked and you can even order from Amazon JP and let ship to Europe. Nice, problem seems to be solved. Did you ever order something from them?

I have a Thinkpad Japanese keyboard from them.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by desmap »

limeblack wrote: post #238
desmap wrote: post #234

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Ok this was easy. Don't know why I haven't checked Amazon JP... Just checked and you can even order from Amazon JP and let ship to Europe. Nice, problem seems to be solved. Did you ever order something from them?

I have a Thinkpad Japanese keyboard from them.

The TrackPoint Keyboard II?

Do you know what scan codes (or in general what characters) those Japanese keys next to the spacebar send when the keyboard layout is set to US?

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by limeblack »

desmap wrote: post #239
limeblack wrote: post #238

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I have a Thinkpad Japanese keyboard from them.

The TrackPoint Keyboard II? Do you know what scan codes (or in general what characters) those Japanese keys next to the spacebar send when the keyboard layout is set to US?

No the Lenovo ThinkPad Compact USB Keyboard with TrackPoint(I don't mind the differences so much.) Using SharpKeys this is really easy. I do have a traditional Thinkpad keyboard non Japanse though.

All you do is press the key in the "Type Key" blank in SharpKeys.

I have actually gotten a Japanese Thinkpad keyboard for my laptop although its for the T420 model. I would have to check my Desktop to see how this works again(on a laptop right now) if you want the actual scan codes. I will say I haven't gotten this to work on Linux just Mac and Windows unfortunately.

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