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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Nursie »

throwaway8581 wrote: post #569
Nursie wrote: post #563

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That's why the first line of remedy is to help the company achieve compliance. Good faith on the part of the company goes a long way too. The law is not like code. Thank god.

Law is not like code but the GDPR is so vague and open to interpretation that it gives almost no real guidance and instead puts you at the whims of whatever the current enforcer thinks.

It gives plenty of guidance and the 'enforcer', if one ever appears (vanishingly unlikely) is bound to be collaborative rather than adversarial, at least in the early stages.

I really don't get the fear mongering over this.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by gmueckl »

pjc50 wrote: post #493
simonh wrote: post #128

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For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

> the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers This is false, because every time it was presented for a vote Leave won. If the majority were Remain, Brexit would necessarily not have happened. As for the alleged ordinary voters, what did they want out of it and what are they actually getting out of it?

That's also not the whole story. The House of Commons was completely divided on the issue to the point where the Remainers couldn't find a common position and any proposal going roughly in their direction was shot down by the other parties in their own camp because it somehow didn't represent their exact idea of staying close to the EU. It was so bad that the House had long phases where literally everything that might have meant the slightest bit of progress was consistently and summarily voted down. If this divide hadn't happened, Leave would have had a much harder time. They did play very dirty procedural tricks on the House of Commons as it was to try and force things their way.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by jfengel »

sorokod wrote: post #554
quest88 wrote: post #541

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Companies still need some basic data for whatever problem they're solving, right? As an example, let's say I want to launch a blogging platform. You need some basic tables (data) like User, Posts, Tags, etc. I'd consider this data the business needs for core business. Does there need to be some GDPR compliance thing? Anecdotally a dumb app I built I was worried about EU visitors and just wanted to block them instead…

"Does there need to be some GDPR compliance thing?" Sounds like you have to learn something before starting a business.

Unfortunately, that's a big cultural shift that a lot of people appear to be having trouble with.

We all really enjoyed the days when we could throw together a project and focus on the fun parts. Then came all of the other things we should worry about -- security and scaling, which are at least technical problems, but then things like privacy, moderation, and even legality.

It's fun to put up a file-sharing service; it's less fun to think about the fact that it can be used to share child porn. It's fun to have a new chat site with no filters. It's less fun when people use it to plan crime.

We don't want to face that. We want to make it Not Our Problem. And here, now privacy is another one. We used to just gather up user data and we didn't plan to sell it or lose it so why did we care?

The Internet is a lot less fun than it used to be. Or rather, we just managed to ignore a lot of the problems, usually because we weren't the ones affected by them. And so we didn't fix them ourselves, so laws got passed instead, which are never as good as what we'd have come up with ourselves.

So yeah, it's time for people to learn stuff before starting a business. That's no fun. Too bad.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by throwaway8581 »

Nursie wrote: post #571
throwaway8581 wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law is not like code but the GDPR is so vague and open to interpretation that it gives almost no real guidance and instead puts you at the whims of whatever the current enforcer thinks.

It gives plenty of guidance and the 'enforcer', if one ever appears (vanishingly unlikely) is bound to be collaborative rather than adversarial, at least in the early stages. I really don't get the fear mongering over this.

Several companies have already been fined by the various country level data protection authorities that enforce the GDPR. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by mytailorisrich »

Nursie wrote: post #567
mytailorisrich wrote: post #561

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I don't understand how you can interpret it as either awful or a paycut if you don't take public transport... If you buy a season ticket (at least a monthly ticket) to commute between your home and office you send a copy to HR and they have to refund you half of it.

That sounds like a massive incentive to hire very locally!

It's cheap enough that employers don't bother (and anyway it's usually not possible to...). So, no, it's not a "massive incentive".

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by knorker »

ysavir wrote: post #494
knorker wrote: post #473

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You mean like how we've been able to set cookie behavior in the browser since cookies were invented? Konqueror even had "confirm cookies" as default for a while back then.

I think they're referencing the Do Not Track header.

Ok. So we already have do not track and cookie control. So what the hell is the EU doing?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Izkata »

sofixa wrote: post #411
Mauricebranagh wrote: post #346

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You know we can own shotguns and full power rifles (303) in the UK. Thankfully the armed police have very stringent training in the Uk.

Yes, you can, but you can't buy them at Tesco with zero paperwork.

Nor can you in the US (you need to apply for a permit and pass background checks), so not sure what your point is.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by benbristow »

glsdfgkjsklfj wrote: post #564
benbristow wrote: post #515

Can we get a rid of the cookie notifications next? They're so annoying and usually end up conflicting with Adblockers and breaking pages because they're not fully blocked.

elitist nonsense. They ought to be annoying. so sites that do not track you for advertising can just add your cookie when you actively sign in, without the annoying popup on first visit, and receive more traffic because they are less-annoying.

Get real, most sites aren't going to do that when they can get away with putting a modal/banner up. It's the end-user that gets the brunt.

Most of the modals are full of dark patterns that basically force you to accept the cookies etc. unless you go through multiple different screens and checkboxes.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by physicsguy »

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

GDPR only came in two or so years ago, it’s hardly out of living memory that we had standards more like the US
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