UK to depart from GDPR • Hacker News Board

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:39 PM UTC

dundarious wrote: post #379

lanevorockz wrote: post #365

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This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

That is a huge and often unacknowledged factor. However, there are small (smaller than many think) victories even in having those click barriers -- a few percent more people can choose not to click. And unrelated to the GP's point and your response, but the ability to ask for all your data is a huge benefit.

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by mytailorisrich » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #482

mytailorisrich wrote: post #460

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> Train company profits count for about 2% of the total cost of the ticket Considering that this is about the same as inflation and less than the usual annual ticket price increase which is decided in part by the government, I strongly suspect that this number is an accounting exercise more than anything else. There's also the profits made by the trains leasing companies as many TOCs lease their rolling stock > There…

Yes, the leasing companies make a fortune. On the other hand they take risk in tying up capital. I'm no fan of the franchise system - especially when companies like Virgin East Coast get out of the obligations if they don't make enough money, but rail is stronger now (well 2019) than it has been since before the motor car was created, and the strength coincided with the franchise system coming in. > People commute by…

> We haven't seen the same growth in other European countries though

In cities like Paris, public transport has huge capacity and is cheap (and in Paris employers have to pay half your season ticket).

Lower growth there does not mean that we're doing better, it means that we're starting from lower... And the UK has had a robust population growth as well.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:49 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #128

boomskats wrote: post #40

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It's unclear whether the 'they' you refer to are the British people, or the class of ruling individuals who know exactly what they're doing and are set to profit immensely. (I'm aware that all sounds quite America-like already)

For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

> the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers

This is false, because every time it was presented for a vote Leave won. If the majority were Remain, Brexit would necessarily not have happened.

As for the alleged ordinary voters, what did they want out of it and what are they actually getting out of it?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by ysavir » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

knorker wrote: post #473

devonbleak wrote: post #446

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My biggest annoyance lately is having to go set my cookie preferences on every. single. site. If only there was some sort of browser standard that I could set in the preferences there and sites would just obey it....

You mean like how we've been able to set cookie behavior in the browser since cookies were invented? Konqueror even had "confirm cookies" as default for a while back then.

I think they're referencing the Do Not Track header.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #214

benwad wrote: post #87

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Lowering taxes, lowering regulatory and environmental standards, and undoing workers' rights legislation can all increase the wealth of those who are already wealthy. I'm not saying all of those things are in the pipeline, but they've all been proposed by pro-Brexit politicians (and this article is one example of lowering regulatory standards).

Oh and second amendment style gun rights too

Not actually an EU competence. Brexit is irrelevant to gun law and some EU countries are fairly liberal.

(Is this another one of those issues where someone is in favour of Brexit because they think the EU prevents something that is nothing to do with them, because they've been lied to by the UK press again?)

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

imtringued wrote: post #352

KingOfCoders wrote: post #117

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GDP - the most gamed and politicized metric on earth. Battling it out at the top of gamed metrics with unemployment rate. We'll see if this is still the economic "gold standard" to compare countries when China overturns the US in GDP.

He said equal which is fair. After all there are lots of (relatively) poor countries in eastern Europe hat are part of the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by hrktb » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

justapassenger wrote: post #484

m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Did you read the law and then work on complying with it? Spirit of the law is great. Implementation and end result is a typical bureaucracy mess, with not much benefit for end user, that functions mostly as a way for government to have a leverage over companies for non-compliance, whenever they want to put pressure on them.

While there are byzantine parts, I think it has been a net positive for the user.

People focus mostly on the cookie popups, but forcing companies to delete data after the user stopped using the service for too long, or even giving a legal stand on users requesting their data to be deleted wouldn’t have happened any other way I think.

In a lot of european countries GDPR came on top of other existing customer protection, but it helped make companies think about compliance as needed for continued business, instead of something akin to properly filing random local paperwork.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:53 PM UTC

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #94

andy_ppp wrote: post #75

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Not even - we will become a right wing basket case with a brand new nuclear weapons system and a failing economy and zero safeguards about those in power. This lot are bad but there is the possibility of something much much worse.

Clearly there are only two possibilities. Being in the EU or being a "a right wing basket case with a brand new nuclear weapons system and a failing economy and zero safeguards about those in power". There are no other types of country.

Poland is the latter while remaining in the EU. Just without the nukes.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

callamdelaney wrote: post #174

SirHound wrote: post #153

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As a Brit living in it I would tend to disagree. By the way if you're a leaver I've been looking for someone to cover the additional costs you've voted to put on me, DM if interested.

Ah yes, the common myth that before the EU nobody could live in any other country which is now a constituent of the EU.

It incurs real costs. Brits have no idea how expensive it is to immigrate legally to the UK, or other EU countries from outwith the EU.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by nolok » Fri, Mar 12, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #457

joostdevries wrote: post #453

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Are you in the EU? I'm a developer in the EU and that is patently not true. Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals. In my experience gdpr puts a real and meaningful curb on the strong impetus to gather everything and sell it.

> Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals Purely anecdote, but zero companies I know in Germany, Italy or France are doing this. (The ones in Switzerland are.) There is a cosmetic fix that produces an email so there is something to show a regulator if they come knocking. The logic being investing anything more than that is a cr…

You must work with some pretty poorly organised companies. I work with a lot of French, Belgian and German companies and they pretty much all have proper procedures and tools for this.

In France in particular the right to access/change/delete any and all data a company has on you was there long before GDPR (by decades) so most serious company are well used and prepped for it.