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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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The idea that U.K. tows the line on US endeavours in a way that countries like Canada and Australia don’t is absurd. Canada and the US share an enormous border and it’s often joked that Canada is like USA-lite. As for Australia - you may be right, as they’re too busy towing China’s line instead. (Although that didn’t stop them going into Vietnam).

australia goes along with america's stupidity all the time. iraq, afghanistan...Australia introduced conscription of Australians to go to help the US with vietnam.

Australia is critically reliant upon shipping which means it needs the support of the world's most dominant naval power.

That unfortunately means sending kids to die in Vietnam.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

Apparently those supporting GDPR would rather have the EU fine Google than to ensure small businesses can survive and be productive with technology, even when the fine to Google is a small amount compared to how much Google makes in the EU. Makes perfect sense, no?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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The shock of being well ahead of the EU on vaccinations?

Broken clocks are right twice a day. Though I agree that involving both the military and the NHS has resulted in being enormously successful at rolling out the vaccine. Let’s hope that the NHS gets properly funded and doesn’t get privatised. Because the US vaccination rollout is a shambles.

If a broken clock can succeed on the greatest test of governing competence in a generation then what does that say about the EU's failure?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> "b) The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster" Privatisation has not been perfect, but only someone who does not remember the old days of British Rail in the 1980s and 1990s would consider it a disaster. It's true that fares are high, but service levels and passenger numbers are both far above the British Rail days. (UK rail passenger numbers reached an all time record in 2019) Prior to Covid, many of t…

> Prior to Covid, many of the busiest lines were operating near their capacity limits, so setting fares any lower would just cause even more severe crowding. This isn't the vindication of privatisation you seem to think it is. Passenger numbers (and fares) are hitting records, and the operators are still using the exact same rolling stock as in 'the old days of British Rail'. Privatisation has led to massive corporat…

> "This isn't the vindication of privatisation you seem to think it is."

I'm not suggesting it is. I'm saying that privatisation has not been a disaster, which was the OP's claim. If privatisation was a disaster, passengers would not have flocked to the railways in record numbers.

> "the operators are still using the exact same rolling stock as in 'the old days of British Rail'"

This isn't true in the vast majority of cases. With very few exceptions (like a few remaining HSTs), you'd be hard pressed to find any train operating into London that dates back to British Rail. Many routes have been through multiple rolling stock upgrades since the BR days!

But note that rolling stock is not something that the operators have much control over anyway. Upgrades are decided/determined by the Department for Transport as part of the franchise terms. So if you do find yourself on an ancient train on some regional route, that's really the government's fault, not the operator's.

> "How is it that half of the UK's private operators are subsidiaries of other countries' nationalised operators?"

Nationalised operators tend to have low costs of capital, so can potentially bid lower for franchises than private competitors who are likely to be paying higher interest rates. They also already have management experience in running large railways, which helps to support their bids.

> "The 'bad old days' of British Rail were because of persistent underfunding, not the ownership structure."

I think this is partially true.

> "The UK state spends more on railways today under a privatised system than they did when the entire system was nationalised."

Yes, but again, passenger numbers have increased dramatically in that time. In 2019, the UK's total rail subsidy (including Network Rail spending) was 3.97p per passenger mile. That's just about as low as it's ever been since at least 1980.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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post #103

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Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

Alright, but how can you nationalize these businesses under EU laws and regulations?

I'm rather sure your Labor party (at least Corbyn) was constantly attacking EU/Brussels and often dutch for neoliberalism.

If your political position is re-nationalisation then it's easier to do it outside the EU unless you think the Conservative party stays in power forever.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Yes, the leasing companies make a fortune. On the other hand they take risk in tying up capital. I'm no fan of the franchise system - especially when companies like Virgin East Coast get out of the obligations if they don't make enough money, but rail is stronger now (well 2019) than it has been since before the motor car was created, and the strength coincided with the franchise system coming in. > People commute by…

> We haven't seen the same growth in other European countries though In cities like Paris, public transport has huge capacity and is cheap (and in Paris employers have to pay half your season ticket). Lower growth there does not mean that we're doing better, it means that we're starting from lower... And the UK has had a robust population growth as well.

> in Paris employers have to pay half your season ticket

That sounds awful - so I effectively get a paycut if I walk or ride to the office?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to. The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff. Arguments in favour of Brexit thus tend to boil down to immigration and 'sovereignty'. The…

I voted remain but would vote leave if we were to ever have another referendum. The reason being is that it's clear to me now the direction that the EU is going in (removal of the nation state, EU army). Actually I think after seeing the vaccine rollout by the EU, many more Brits would vote to leave. It's interesting how events have turned out.

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Consider lawful basis. Does your processing fall under the lawful basis you think it does? Who the hell knows. Making an educated guess as to what the regulators and courts will think is legal scholarship, one of the most expensive professional services money can buy. And even if you get billed for hundreds of hours of the most premium legal minds thinking about it they can still be wrong. Words like “reasonable” and…

Apparently those supporting GDPR would rather have the EU fine Google than to ensure small businesses can survive and be productive with technology, even when the fine to Google is a small amount compared to how much Google makes in the EU. Makes perfect sense, no?

Is that a sarcastic comment?

Because GDPR allows for liquidating fines, even for Google. I believe it has a cap of 2% annual global turnover, per infraction, or something similar.

Problem is, GDPR is not enforced. I haven't heard of small companies being investigated, let alone having any fines imposed, even when blatantly violating GDPR.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Spending is irrelevant, the success lies in outcomes. You brought the US up, and it’s a good example here: very high costs, poor outcomes.

Outcomes of a health system are tricky to measure compariatively, let alone put a dollar value on, which I guess is why people like them. Broadly though, UK, Germany, France, Sweden health systems tend to have the same ballpark. UK has always cost far less than those countries though.

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