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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by kergonath »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #457
joostdevries wrote: post #453

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Are you in the EU? I'm a developer in the EU and that is patently not true. Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals. In my experience gdpr puts a real and meaningful curb on the strong impetus to gather everything and sell it.

> Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals Purely anecdote, but zero companies I know in Germany, Italy or France are doing this. (The ones in Switzerland are.) There is a cosmetic fix that produces an email so there is something to show a regulator if they come knocking. The logic being investing anything more than that is a cr…

French companies do this. They did it before GDPR mostly.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by iso1631 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #460
iso1631 wrote: post #410

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> The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster Train company profits count for about 2% of the total cost of the ticket, and (pre covid) the network carried more than twice as many passengers as it was under BR - nearly 2 billion journeys a year vs a steady 800m in the 70s through 90s. in terms of distance, pax-km 1970 36b 1980 35b 1990 40b 1997 42b (end of BR) 2010 64b 2018 81b Since 1997 that's a 90% incre…

> Train company profits count for about 2% of the total cost of the ticket Considering that this is about the same as inflation and less than the usual annual ticket price increase which is decided in part by the government, I strongly suspect that this number is an accounting exercise more than anything else. There's also the profits made by the trains leasing companies as many TOCs lease their rolling stock > There…

Yes, the leasing companies make a fortune. On the other hand they take risk in tying up capital.

I'm no fan of the franchise system - especially when companies like Virgin East Coast get out of the obligations if they don't make enough money, but rail is stronger now (well 2019) than it has been since before the motor car was created, and the strength coincided with the franchise system coming in.

> People commute by train because it's the least bad option and/or the only viable option. That does not mean that it's good or that there is real competition.

We haven't seen the same growth in other European countries though. And it's not just commuting into London -- long-distance travel has ballooned too - hence the need to build HS2.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by blibble »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #304
gmac wrote: post #207

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OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to. The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff. Arguments in favour of Brexit thus tend to boil down to immigration and 'sovereignty'. The…

I voted remain but would vote leave if we were to ever have another referendum. The reason being is that it's clear to me now the direction that the EU is going in (removal of the nation state, EU army). Actually I think after seeing the vaccine rollout by the EU, many more Brits would vote to leave. It's interesting how events have turned out.

> Actually I think after seeing the vaccine rollout by the EU, many more Brits would vote to leave.

> It's interesting how events have turned out.

it's more or less the same as every other crisis the EU has had to deal with: it ends up being handling extremely poorly

the EU is more or less good at one thing: trade negotiations

everything else it ends up involved with has pretty much been a disaster (sovereign debt crisis, migrant crisis, last days of yugoslavia, vaccine procurement, Russia, etc)

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by justapassenger »

m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Did you read the law and then work on complying with it?

Spirit of the law is great. Implementation and end result is a typical bureaucracy mess, with not much benefit for end user, that functions mostly as a way for government to have a leverage over companies for non-compliance, whenever they want to put pressure on them.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Silhouette »

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #211
simonh wrote: post #128

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For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

Most of the "business" leaders who where pro brexit where outliers or ecentric's (Wetherspoons guy) and of course wealthy media tycoons. The vast majority of the city and other business leaders where asleep at the wheel - what they should have done is had a quiet word with Harry Peirce (MI5) at the club about these dangerous subversives.

Most of the "business" leaders who where pro brexit where outliers or ecentric's (Wetherspoons guy) and of course wealthy media tycoons.

I have always wondered how true this is. It is certainly a common claim, but anecdotally I know several small business owners who I am fairly sure voted Leave because they didn't agree with EU-style regulation such as the subject of today's discussion. And this is in the Cambridge area, which overall was literally the most pro-Remain place in the entire country. Most of those people did not talk much about their views on Brexit in public because of the peer pressure, which I think was unfortunate. Even if few minds might have been changed in either direction, it would have been better for the issues to have been properly debated.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by the_duke »

yoz-y wrote: post #472
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #457

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> Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals Purely anecdote, but zero companies I know in Germany, Italy or France are doing this. (The ones in Switzerland are.) There is a cosmetic fix that produces an email so there is something to show a regulator if they come knocking. The logic being investing anything more than that is a cr…

The companies in France in worked for all did substantial work to comply with GDPR.

Many companies invested a lot of time.

But from what I have seen, most of that time was spent on the legal and policy site, not on actually implementing the technical changes required to properly handle, store and delete data.

I can absolutely guarantee you that the overwhelming majority EU companies could not properly carry out a GDPR deletion request.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by blibble »

modo_mario wrote: post #127
krageon wrote: post #108

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> a large chunk of them have pretty much not agreed Yes, but a far larger chunk has. Every country gets the leaders it deserves and the UK is no exception.

Tbh simply based on the amount of elderly voters that died since it's likely that majority is gone by now. At least so I've read in some article months ago. All things considered it was relatively close so not exactly a far larger chunk. I don't have any spite towards the British people but I do hope that the EU will act in EU interest which means facilitating the return of financial services that shifted towards Lon…

Leave would likely win by a bigger majority if the referendum was repeated today, because the UK didn't collapse on leaving

also add the EU's disastrous vaccine procurement scheme, combined with its attempt to obscure its total incompetence with petulant nationalistic flailing

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by throwaway210222 »

justapassenger wrote: post #484
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

Did you read the law and then work on complying with it? Spirit of the law is great. Implementation and end result is a typical bureaucracy mess, with not much benefit for end user, that functions mostly as a way for government to have a leverage over companies for non-compliance, whenever they want to put pressure on them.

"that functions mostly as a way for government to have a leverage over companies"

Which is why you NEVER comply: you get exemptions.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by kwhitefoot »

gadders wrote: post #373
selfhoster11 wrote: post #250

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

You realise that salad in the UK is already chlorinated, right? I don't see that being an issue. It's just protectionism.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/09/chlorine-washed-chicken...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by malka »

dheera wrote: post #466
foepys wrote: post #449

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How does it make it more insecure?

Not sure GP's meaning, but just guessing here, maybe it trains people to hit "I agree" to everything without understanding, so when they get an actually security warning they just click right past it.

Gdpr means you need to have a disagree button. Just click it for everything
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