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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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It's worth mentioning the UK-Japan free-trade agreement already exempted data flows to Japan from GDPR (and from there they can be laundered to the USA):

https://edri.org/our-work/uk-japan-trade-agreement-violates-...

As Boris Johnson said, "The UK won't immediately send children up the chimneys or fill beaches across the country with raw sewage". Emphasis on "immediately".

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> The NHS is the 4th largest employer in the world, 1.3 million employees to provide healthcare to a nation of 67 million. Yet taxpayer funding for health per head of population in the UK is lower than France Germany Sweden Switzerland And get this -- THE USA In 2009 - so before Obamacare came in, the US government spent $3,700 per person on healthcare. Not per person covered by medicare and military, per citizen. Th…

Spending is irrelevant, the success lies in outcomes. You brought the US up, and it’s a good example here: very high costs, poor outcomes.

Outcomes of a health system are tricky to measure compariatively, let alone put a dollar value on, which I guess is why people like them. Broadly though, UK, Germany, France, Sweden health systems tend to have the same ballpark. UK has always cost far less than those countries though.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Most of these companies wouldn't know how to make much use of the data anyway. My experience working with companies and analytics (even did an analytics startup some years back) is that they haven't a clue about how to actually use it and just heard that more data is somehow better. That to me sounds like they're most likely to sell the data, since they don't know how to use it themselves. Better these companies have…

In practice though with the GDPR, sites either just 403 everyone in the EU to avoid complying, or just shower you in javascript cookie notifications, making your browsing experience more bloated, slow and insecure.

Are you in the EU? I'm a developer in the EU and that is patently not true. Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals. In my experience gdpr puts a real and meaningful curb on the strong impetus to gather everything and sell it.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

> so that the service quality degrades and the private sector can swoop in as the saviour. This is controversial because:

There are a couple of other reasons:

The Lansley reforms were about increasing non-NHS provision. They mostly failed because private providers simply can't do the job for the money the NHS gets paid.

Where we see private provision (for example, specialist commissioning in mental health services, or learning disability and autism services) we see terrible standards of care. Winterborne View, Whorlton Hall, St Andrews, are all non-NHS providers. Cygnet Health have had a bunch of inadequate CQC reports.

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Because "socialism for the rich" as a term doesn't make any sense.

I think I get what you are saying, it doesn't make sense at first. But it's quite a popular way of making sense of society, power etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_for_the_rich_and_cap...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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What does the UK want to do, make some commonwealth free trade zone? That would make sense. But it seems like everyone wants to go in their own directions, including parts of the UK.

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In practice though with the GDPR, sites either just 403 everyone in the EU to avoid complying, or just shower you in javascript cookie notifications, making your browsing experience more bloated, slow and insecure.

Are you in the EU? I'm a developer in the EU and that is patently not true. Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals. In my experience gdpr puts a real and meaningful curb on the strong impetus to gather everything and sell it.

> Developers have to have mechanisms in place to delete gdpr data when required and not store data that's not required for you goals

Purely anecdote, but zero companies I know in Germany, Italy or France are doing this. (The ones in Switzerland are.)

There is a cosmetic fix that produces an email so there is something to show a regulator if they come knocking. The logic being investing anything more than that is a crap shoot, given nobody knows how each of the EU’s 28 data regulators will interpret the rules.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

This comment was very unfairly down-voted in my opinion. I've noticed that hackernews often down-votes some interesting comments.

I would say that most people will not vote against the NHS though. They may vote to reform it or get it more money, but they will not mostly vote to get rid of it.

The NHS is an upside down version of the US healthcare system. In the UK the political system is hijacked by the population to keep doctors wages low. In the US the political system is hijacked by the healthcare industry in order to keep healthcare wages high.

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Most of these companies wouldn't know how to make much use of the data anyway. My experience working with companies and analytics (even did an analytics startup some years back) is that they haven't a clue about how to actually use it and just heard that more data is somehow better. That to me sounds like they're most likely to sell the data, since they don't know how to use it themselves. Better these companies have…

In practice though with the GDPR, sites either just 403 everyone in the EU to avoid complying, or just shower you in javascript cookie notifications, making your browsing experience more bloated, slow and insecure.

The GDPR is not a law that only regulates the internet.

The GDPR applies to all processing of all personal data regardless of whether that's pieces of paper in a filing cabinet or an entirely online social network.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

> The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster Train company profits count for about 2% of the total cost of the ticket, and (pre covid) the network carried more than twice as many passengers as it was under BR - nearly 2 billion journeys a year vs a steady 800m in the 70s through 90s. in terms of distance, pax-km 1970 36b 1980 35b 1990 40b 1997 42b (end of BR) 2010 64b 2018 81b Since 1997 that's a 90% incre…

> Train company profits count for about 2% of the total cost of the ticket

Considering that this is about the same as inflation and less than the usual annual ticket price increase which is decided in part by the government, I strongly suspect that this number is an accounting exercise more than anything else.

There's also the profits made by the trains leasing companies as many TOCs lease their rolling stock

> There is competition to rail if the price was too high -- driving, coaches, flying, not traveling

There's no real competition for most commuters around London at least. The trade-off is rather with the cost of housing.

It makes perfect sense to complain about overcrowding for that reason and because pay a lot of money for their tickets, indeed.

People commute by train because it's the least bad option and/or the only viable option. That does not mean that it's good or that there is real competition.

If the number of trips has been increasing I think that the main drivers are the concentration of jobs within London and the booming housing costs: People live further and further away and have to commute by trains.

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