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Post by gmac »

callamdelaney wrote: post #192
arethuza wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

The difference is that the referendum was stacked against leave in every conceivable way. For example, the remain campaign had £6m more to work with. On top of this the government spent £9m on pro remain leaflets and social media advertising. Add onto this the fact that the government wheeled out every 'expert' it could find to constantly cry about how bad brexit would be - most of them were lying (Mark Carney, Georg…

I already wrote a lengthy reply to one of your other comments. I don't have the time or energy to write a detailed rebuttal to this one, and I'm beginning to wonder whether you're arguing in good faith.

But on your WW2 point, I did think about it for a minute.

Britain fought WW2 for 6 years, 1939 – 1945. Brexit has no known endpoint. Imagine that even 10% of the trade impacts we've seen since the end of the transition period on 1 January persist. Then you can quite easily calculate how many years it will take to damage the economy more than WW2. Off the top of my head, I don't know if that's 6 years, or 60 years, or 600 years. But there's certainly some finite number that will do it.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by tremon »

sdfhbdf wrote: post #177

‚Meanwhile one of the architects of the GDPR, German MEP Axel Voss, last week called for the regulation to be updated to take into account developments such as blockchain technology...’ What does that have to do with personal data? Sounds like keyword stuffing

Blockchain data is immutable after it's been signed. If PII ends up in blockchain data, which is not unthinkable for e.g. financial transactions, there is no way to comply with data deletion requests, which the GDPR mandates.

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Post by mhh__ »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #99
dbetteridge wrote: post #8

I somewhat miss the days when the corruption was at least somewhat veiled. No-no of course we don't want to sell your data for profit, that would be ridiculous. Clearly it is just our corporate sponsors who will be doing it for us!

> I somewhat miss the days when the corruption was at least somewhat veiled. Oh, nonsense. People disagree with you politically. That doesn't make it 'unveiled corruption'. What a lazy way to think.

Our government is happily funneling millions of public money into murky contracts with companies that often barely exist. It is corruption. The tory party has no ideology.

What a lazy way to think

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Post by corobo »

Now we got rid of the EU protections the Tory govt is going to stripmine the country for cash.

Imagine the desire for wealth and power at the expense of others being defined as a mental illness that needed treating instead of giving these cunts more power.

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Post by Nursie »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #206
callamdelaney wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that the referendum was stacked against leave in every conceivable way. For example, the remain campaign had £6m more to work with. On top of this the government spent £9m on pro remain leaflets and social media advertising. Add onto this the fact that the government wheeled out every 'expert' it could find to constantly cry about how bad brexit would be - most of them were lying (Mark Carney, Georg…

Actually, the referendum was stacked against Remain, as Leave covered every single possible variation of not being in the EU, and at no point had to define anything except being "Not Remain"

And the different versions of remain? Remain but keep British exceptionalism? Remain but go all in? Remain but work towards a superstate?

There was no single, set-in-stone outcome on either side.

I voted to stay in, but the remain campaign was far from honest.

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Post by killtimeatwork »

himinlomax wrote: post #111
killtimeatwork wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in an large euroepan enterprise and our GDPR compliance is... absymal. And we're not even investing that much into becoming more compliant. My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions.

> My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions. It may cost some money, but not that much by far. The reality is that in the long term, you'd save some as well by virtue of having clearer, cleaner and simpler processes.

> virtue of having clearer, cleaner and simpler processes.

We are a large bank, most of our processes are decades old and are an impossible mess. For reference, we have a total of around 5000 systems running in the bank... Till GDPR and also some post-2008 regulation, I guess the strategy was to mostly accept the mess we're in (it's basically an absolutely extreme version of technical and organizational debt), with some targeted initiatives to make some areas slightly cleaner. Now, GDPR would require a major redoing of a lot of stuff, most of which is not really redoable - who wants to touch critical code written in COBOL, which is powering the significant parts of economies of a couple of European countries? I suspect most of the world's top20 banks are like that. In this realm, full GDPR compliance (for example, the right to be forgotten, when the data is copied willy-nilly across 5000 apps, with no one knowing exactly where and how the data flows) is a fantasy that could only be enforced by multibillion fines.

It's essentially similar problem to global warming - till recently, all of bank's depratments were solving problems locally, but now a new threat (global warming/GDPR legislation) requires global coordination, which is extremely costly given that the bank was basically not designed for it.

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Post by mhh__ »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #29

I hope the UK follows through with its 'Singapore-on-Thames' plan, which requiring losing regulatory harmonization with the EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore-on-Thames

So we throw away our relationship with a trading bloc that is 0km away to do things we already do but spun to make Brexit look palatable before the people who voted for it are already dead?

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Post by thinkingemote »

hnlmorg wrote: post #73
jleask wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

48% of us realized this

This is the thing that pissed me off the most about the referendum. The result was touted as an overwhelming majority but in fact the percentages are well within the margin for error on a poll that wasn't very well defined from the outset (ie what "leave" meant was different for different people). The only thing the EU referendum conclusively demonstrated was how easily manipulated people are by the media they consum…

The same argument has been heard from Trump and his followers. Stolen votes, manipulated people.

What we need is respect for democracy.

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Post by selfhoster11 »

bb123 wrote: post #103
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally.

- The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening.

- The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite paying it lip service. Some accuse the government of doing this as a form of sabotage, so that the service quality degrades and the private sector can swoop in as the saviour. This is controversial because:

a) Brits are very proud of the NHS as a nation (or at least that's the dominant narrative in my news bubble)

b) The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster - ticket prices have skyrocketed, and service quality took a nosedive in some areas.

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