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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by feralimal »

dijit wrote: post #96
peterkelly wrote: post #94

Has everyone forgotten about Tempora [1], XKEYSCORE [2], PRISM, [3] and the other Snowden revelations [4]? This kind of shit has been going on for at least a decade in various forms. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

Doesn’t really make it ok though. We should absolutely keep it in the public eye lest it be relegated to acceptance.

It was relegated to acceptance about 10 years ago.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by [deleted] »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #58
cm2187 wrote: post #4

Is a datacentre considered an ISP in this respect? Between vpns and just remote desktoping into a VM, it seems trivial to circumvent to real criminals while being a privacy nightmare to the rest of the population. There is a probability 1.000 that this data will be abused.

What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by feralimal »

eecc wrote: post #113

What I don’t get is this: our governments - “ours” being the group of parliamentary democracies - routinely diss authoritarian ones such as China - and rightfully so - for their violations against human rights, among which that to habeas corpus, privacy, and reasonable suspicion. To the point that we agonized over and sabotaged contact tracing apps, which could have helped a lot in fighting COVID, over claims to priv…

What helps, I find, is to think of governments as administrations. The civil service does implements whatever it has been told. Politicians are voted in - this is a slight of hand to distract the public. (I think of politics as a soap opera for the middle classes.) All the while the real governors operate through global undemocratic organisations, such as the UN and the WHO.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by oji0hub »

morrbo wrote: post #122
peterkelly wrote: post #94

Has everyone forgotten about Tempora [1], XKEYSCORE [2], PRISM, [3] and the other Snowden revelations [4]? This kind of shit has been going on for at least a decade in various forms. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

As a person from the UK, no I've not forgotten. The difference here (and this is NOT excusing them) is that you've gone from a series of systems which didn't officially exist, accessible from the select few of intelligence agencies and no doubt secure as hell into private ones which are controlled by people like BT. Yep, BT. The same BT who are laying off 10k staff this year because they need to cut costs. This isn't…

The BBC is state media, so unfortunately not surprising.

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Post by thraxil »

peterkelly wrote: post #94

Has everyone forgotten about Tempora [1], XKEYSCORE [2], PRISM, [3] and the other Snowden revelations [4]? This kind of shit has been going on for at least a decade in various forms. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

I find it a bit amusing that we are now at the point where we can say "has everyone forgotten about" about Snowden revelations. When those came out, my reaction at the time was "has everyone forgotten about ECHELON?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by KoftaBob »

tomcooks wrote: post #115
eecc wrote: post #113

What I don’t get is this: our governments - “ours” being the group of parliamentary democracies - routinely diss authoritarian ones such as China - and rightfully so - for their violations against human rights, among which that to habeas corpus, privacy, and reasonable suspicion. To the point that we agonized over and sabotaged contact tracing apps, which could have helped a lot in fighting COVID, over claims to priv…

The Chinese model works, and it's what every government wants. The rest is marketing.

It "works" if your priority is getting things done, but it absolutely does not work if you value liberty and personal freedom.

Ask minority groups in China like Christians wanting to build a church or Uyghurs how well the model works.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by input_sh »

Nailgun wrote: post #160
azalemeth wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I have done since the original snooper's charter came out. It is not perfect -- I am sure that GCHQ etc have got pretty good at correlation attacks -- but by encrypting _everything_ BT, Virgin Media etc. will just get a list containing exactly one IP and a month-long connection time. Secondly, I really recommend Andrews & Arnolds [1] as an ISP if you can only get ADSL. I don't use them at home because I…

Do you have any recommendations for VPN providers?

This one's frequently suggested: https://mullvad.net/en/

You can pay by cash or cryptocurrencies, you don't need to provide them with your email address, headquartered in the EU, Mozilla's VPN is a partnership with them, open source clients with reproducible builds, WireGuard support.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by smashah »

abraxas wrote: post #83
brokenmachine wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe then we will have finally got them all and declare the war on terrorism officially over!!

Yes, yes that is exactly what they will do. Shareholders and lobbyists be damned.

Big Oil will be replaced with Big ML. The lobbyists will erode our liberties after rinsing our planet. They will make cutesy ads tricking the masses into trusting the models and anyone using protection online will be branded a terrorist.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by azalemeth »

Nailgun wrote: post #160
azalemeth wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I have done since the original snooper's charter came out. It is not perfect -- I am sure that GCHQ etc have got pretty good at correlation attacks -- but by encrypting _everything_ BT, Virgin Media etc. will just get a list containing exactly one IP and a month-long connection time. Secondly, I really recommend Andrews & Arnolds [1] as an ISP if you can only get ADSL. I don't use them at home because I…

Do you have any recommendations for VPN providers?

I personally have used two: cryptostorm and mullvad. Both were good, mullvad was better (and has regular independent audits: see, e.g. https://cure53.de/pentest-report_mullvad_2020_v2.pdf)
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