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Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by hanniabu »

worldofmatthew wrote: post #55
jimmygrapes wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do want ISPs to charge by the minute again? Because that's how we get there.

If ISPs tried than the public would pressure the government to drop the law. I calculate with 50% reduction from compression (After the required back-ups to comply with the law the number will be much worse for the ISP). That somone on VM 500Mbits using less than 10% of their connection for this could increase their log size by 200GB per day or 73TB over the 12 months.

> the public would pressure the government to drop the law

And the government would just ignore them because of lobbying

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by yew »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #52
eranimo wrote: post #50

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The actual left is generally against that sort of thing, and even significant factions on the right don't want the kind of government control, what you should be concerned about are liberal centrist people.

You're right[0], though you won't get much recognition on HN. [0] https://t.co/9UuceYD2Xj?amp=1

I hate to break it to you, but Greenwald is just another "I was a teenage leftist" Republican getting ready for his book tour. He's been pandering to Trump supporters for a few years now...

He's a terrible example to cite if you want to support the actual left.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by peterkelly »

Has everyone forgotten about Tempora [1], XKEYSCORE [2], PRISM, [3] and the other Snowden revelations [4]? This kind of shit has been going on for at least a decade in various forms.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by dijit »

peterkelly wrote: post #94

Has everyone forgotten about Tempora [1], XKEYSCORE [2], PRISM, [3] and the other Snowden revelations [4]? This kind of shit has been going on for at least a decade in various forms. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

Doesn’t really make it ok though.

We should absolutely keep it in the public eye lest it be relegated to acceptance.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by zo1 »

brokenmachine wrote: post #78
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #58

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What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

The average person doesn't understand all our nerd worries.

Neither does this specific "nerd". I honestly have yet to be convinced; a lot of it seems very similar to fear mongering and illogical with the arguments being very nebulous. Maybe I have yet to sit down and flesh it out with a deep privacy advocate.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by kitd »

bartread wrote: post #26
chrisseaton wrote: post #21

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> Using candy-coated language for such things is as (almost as) harmful as the acts themselves. 'Snooping' isn't candy-coated language in British English, and this is a British article. It's just another way to say surveillance. You're imagining a meaning that isn't there.

Brit here: can concur. 'Snooping' is pejorative in British English. It implies that (at the very least) you are sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and always carries a hint of sinister overtone.

More than that: the IPA, the legislation that allowed this surveillance, is very well known in the UK as "The Snooper's Charter".

Snooping describes this perfectly.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by alephu5 »

brokenmachine wrote: post #79
null0pointer wrote: post #42

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1. Trivial to bypass: Check 2. Further degrades the privacy of the general public: Check Just another day in internet legislation.

This often makes me think, what would happen if the authorities suddenly instituted something that actually wasn't trivial to bypass? There are smart people working for them, why do they keep bringing in this stuff that doesn't actually have an effect against the baddies? Is it possible that they are self-sabotaging because they actually realize they don't want to live in the world they are rushing headlong towards?…

Those trying to communicate will always have the advantage thanks to cryptography. It gives you many way to secure and obfuscate communications, even in plain view.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Post by tomatocracy »

lupire wrote: post #72
marshmallow_12 wrote: post #35

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I don't know, i think the mentality here is that the government is spying for you, not at you. Is it different in the us? And is that because all revelations revolve around the fact that citizens are being spied on?

Then why do people light british spy cameras on fire so often?

As someone who lives on the UK, I've never once seen a vandalised CCTV camera or even a vandalised road speed camera (which I'm given to understand is more common).
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