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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by andy_ppp »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #94
andy_ppp wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even - we will become a right wing basket case with a brand new nuclear weapons system and a failing economy and zero safeguards about those in power. This lot are bad but there is the possibility of something much much worse.

Clearly there are only two possibilities. Being in the EU or being a "a right wing basket case with a brand new nuclear weapons system and a failing economy and zero safeguards about those in power". There are no other types of country.

I wasn't clear in my comment - I think the decision making to avoid compliance with the EU (even when it is sensible) is going to cause big problems for the UK economy and if that get's really bad the public seem determined to vote for more and more right wing governments out of fear. I think it's a reasonable concern with the lack of safeguards in the British system of government.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by carmen_sandiego »

bb123 wrote: post #103
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by seanhandley »

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

I live in the UK and, like 49% of the turnout, I did not vote for this. Trade blocs rely on geographical proximity to be most effective but this whole thing is an ideologically motivated change, rather than one rooted in pragmatism.

Giggle count: zero.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by aloisdg »

kzrdude wrote: post #98
dbetteridge wrote: post #8

I somewhat miss the days when the corruption was at least somewhat veiled. No-no of course we don't want to sell your data for profit, that would be ridiculous. Clearly it is just our corporate sponsors who will be doing it for us!

Money has become the main objective, and it's poisoning us. Money is a means to an end, not the end itself. The nation (any country) needs to have human goals - not economical goals for their own sake - but a better life for us, for us all.

That why we cry when countries are compared by GDP...

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by 02thoeva »

andy_ppp wrote: post #19

I mean this of course means EU data won’t be able to be stored on British servers as I understand it. More barriers to trade, it’s like this government is trying to destroy the economy...

Not quite, the EU and UK have a draft adequacy agreement in place. Should be signed by the time the transition period ends.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by matthewmacleod »

callamdelaney wrote: post #109
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I'm 24 and voted for brexit. In fact I campaigned for it and would do so again. It's really a very poor form to resort to the "dumb old racists voted for brexit hurr".

I think the fact that dumb old racists voted for Brexit doesn’t preclude that dumb young people also voted for it. They’re probably less racist though.

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Post by modo_mario »

krageon wrote: post #108
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

> a large chunk of them have pretty much not agreed Yes, but a far larger chunk has. Every country gets the leaders it deserves and the UK is no exception.

Tbh simply based on the amount of elderly voters that died since it's likely that majority is gone by now. At least so I've read in some article months ago.

All things considered it was relatively close so not exactly a far larger chunk.

I don't have any spite towards the British people but I do hope that the EU will act in EU interest which means facilitating the return of financial services that shifted towards London since they joined and not letting the UK and whatever the borderdeal ends up as serve as a loop to ignore single market regulations.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by simonh »

boomskats wrote: post #40
vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

It's unclear whether the 'they' you refer to are the British people, or the class of ruling individuals who know exactly what they're doing and are set to profit immensely. (I'm aware that all sounds quite America-like already)

For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll cash out before they're stuck in the same boat as everyone else.

The basic premise of the "it's an establishment stitch up" argument is that Britain will be weaker and poorer, but the establishment will end up with a much, much bigger slice of the smaller pie such that they gain overall. It's not clear to me how that's supposed to work though. How is this pie-grab supposed to work as the pie itself shrinks? Some people might manage to pull it off, but the whole establishment class as a group?

Anyway, this whole premise flies in the face of who we know voted overwhelmingly for Brexit - ordinary British voters, many of them up north and from working backgrounds - even as the actual political parties, majority of MPs and most business leaders were arguing against it. The evidence for an establishment stitch up rests on a few very specific data points, like the fact that Jacob Reese Mog and some of Nigel Farage's hedge fund friends have already and will continue to do quite well out of it. They're hardly "The Establishment" as a whole though. They're just some of the people I was talking about trading on volatility, and hardly representative of the financial sector as a whole that is getting screwed over by losing passporting.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by 02thoeva »

jeroenhd wrote: post #106
theelous3 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can store it wherever you want, so long as you're in compliance.

> You can store it wherever you want, as long as you're in compliance. From a GDPR standpoint, compliance means that the country where the data is stored has an agreement with the EU AND you must have enforceable and strong, negative consequences for the foreign party in your contract. The EU can only make such an agreement for a foreign country if the data protection laws are sufficient. I do not know whether or not…

There is a draft adequacy agreement between the two which should be signed before the end of June when the transition period ends: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_...

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Post by arethuza »

noir_lord wrote: post #120
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I was strongly remain, 48% of us where, if the vote had been a year later it could quite easily have been 52/48 the other way. One wonders if remain had one if the leave campaign would have accepted "The vote was clear, put up with it and shut up". I completely understand why EU governments would be absolutely fed up with the UK government though. Sadly my generation (40 and younger) are going to have to live the con…

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive:

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

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