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Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by fhunt »

ByteWelder wrote: post #149
fhunt wrote: post #143

Moved to Win after a decade on a Mac, this doesn't make sense, most Mac keys are not much better and you are just used to it, rather install AHK, something which no other platform has, and remap keys in a sane way.

Using control for the most common operations is much more straining for the hand. It is especially noticeable by heavy keyboard users such as software developers. Using your thumb to hit CMD (or Alt on a Win keyboard), is much less straining.

i haven't used the original ctrl keys for a decade, nowadays everyone puts control on caps, even on a mac haha. then your left pinky is closer to ctrl + faster than your left thumb to command and if you want you beloved spotlight just install ms powertoys which has powerrun, it's the same, bind to alt-space

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by matt_kantor »

Macha wrote: post #37
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #19

I used to get annoyed by the differences between platforms and apps. I had my Windows desktop tweaked out just so , and I knew how to set it up that way on a new install in a matter of hours. It kept me tied to Windows for longer than it should've. Then I went switched to Apple and stuck with it for many years, learning a new way. Then, just like with Windows, the rug was pulled out and I had little say in it, and I…

I've got this way with e.g. Typescript and Rust syntax. They're similar in a lot of ways and I write a lot of typescript in my day job and at times my hobby projects are primarily Rust. Typescript uses semicolons at the end of each field definition in an interface, while Rust uses comma seperators between each field in a struct, and each time I switch from one to the other it takes a while for my brain to remember wh…

> Typescript uses semicolons at the end of each field definition in an interface

You can use semicolons, commas, or newlines: https://tsplay.dev/wXR7om

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by francislavoie »

chmln wrote: post #57
rubyn00bie wrote: post #55

This is great, btw. Kinto is 100% a sanity saver. Please note the following rant is mostly tongue-in-cheek. 'cuz it turns out, I personally hate how Windows and Linux do things with `ctrl`. Coming from a Mac, my biggest and most consistent annoyance is that the `ctrl` key is fucking useless at best... One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK…

> One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK in a fucking TERMINAL... Because `ctrl-c` sends an interrupt Most terminals today have a copy-on-select feature, which means you don't need to ctrl-c at all. Just select and ctrl-v.

That's actually the worst though. I use selecting to highlight text that I'm reading as an aid. Copy-on-select is a huge dealbreaker for me because it clobbers my clipboard when I don't want it to.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by michaelmrose »

chmln wrote: post #57
rubyn00bie wrote: post #55

This is great, btw. Kinto is 100% a sanity saver. Please note the following rant is mostly tongue-in-cheek. 'cuz it turns out, I personally hate how Windows and Linux do things with `ctrl`. Coming from a Mac, my biggest and most consistent annoyance is that the `ctrl` key is fucking useless at best... One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK…

> One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK in a fucking TERMINAL... Because `ctrl-c` sends an interrupt Most terminals today have a copy-on-select feature, which means you don't need to ctrl-c at all. Just select and ctrl-v.

To be pedantic X11 has a copy on select feature which works on virtually all applications. This means you get by default 2 different clipboards although some environments/applications have an option to sync them among other additional features like being able to select from the last n pastes which may be optionally persisted through reboots for example.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by jcelerier »

lloeki wrote: post #125
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from Windows to Apple around 2010, after using Windows 7 for a year, and away from Apple a year or two ago, after Mountain Lion. With Windows and Mac both, it wasn't any one thing in particular, just a "death by a thousand cuts", so to speak, of a general feeling of the platform changing shape without me having any say in it, without any bi-directional feedback, just changing at someone else's whim, and ha…

> Mac GNU There’s no such thing as "Mac GNU", since the userland and outermost kernel interface is of BSD lignage. Which does a double whammy on the "GNU/Linux" pedantry, since the Linux-based system described above has only a very limited part of it that are actual GNU projects, or even GPL licensed. That is, unless I’m mistaken and parent uses a system without Xorg, and only lives with bash, glibc, make, GCC, coreu…

> There’s no such thing as "Mac GNU", since the userland and outermost kernel interface is of BSD lignage.

first thing I install on my macs are the gnu coreutils. bsd are so useless in comparison

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by raindropm »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #43

Shameless plug: wincycle makes win/cmd+backtick to cycle between Windows of the same app work. This and iMessage were the two things I missed leaving macOS for Windows and so I solved them both for myself :) https://neosmart.net/blog/2017/easy-window-switcher/

Great! I just search for a way to do this in Autohotkey a couple of months ago(not going very well, of course) Thanks for shameless plug! :)

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by uncledave »

ideamotor wrote: post #124
beloch wrote: post #12

The difference between Mac and PC keyboards is a real usability problem. If you're used to PC's or Linux, moving to a Mac and dealing with their shortcuts is painful, and vice-versa. The worst is using a mixture of both Mac's and PC's on a daily basis. Moving back and forth between platforms daily means you either have to get used to hitting the wrong shortcuts or use a hack to swap keys around on one platform so you…

I switch very regularly and had difficulty until I begun to just swap out keyboards between macOS and Windows. That somehow ties my muscle memory for each OS much better. I pretty much have exclusive keyboards for different OS even if I use VMs on my laptop. Plus, after much searching, there is not a good non-Apple keyboard for the Mac and the Apple keyboards aren't good for Windows. One example: the right side of of…

Durgod K320 works nicely with macOS. You can get replacement key tops from eBay for about $20 to get cmd/opt back etc

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by boudin »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #55

This is great, btw. Kinto is 100% a sanity saver. Please note the following rant is mostly tongue-in-cheek. 'cuz it turns out, I personally hate how Windows and Linux do things with `ctrl`. Coming from a Mac, my biggest and most consistent annoyance is that the `ctrl` key is fucking useless at best... One of the most common use cases for the `ctrl` key is COPYING shit and followed by PASTING shit and it DOES NOT WORK…

If you find this annoying, a way around is to set your terminal to use ctrl+c and ctrl+v for copy/pasting and ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v for the original chars it sends.

Re: Kinto: Mac-style shortcut keys for Linux and Windows

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Post by konart »

jimbob45 wrote: post #21
beloch wrote: post #12

The difference between Mac and PC keyboards is a real usability problem. If you're used to PC's or Linux, moving to a Mac and dealing with their shortcuts is painful, and vice-versa. The worst is using a mixture of both Mac's and PC's on a daily basis. Moving back and forth between platforms daily means you either have to get used to hitting the wrong shortcuts or use a hack to swap keys around on one platform so you…

Apple’s MO all along has been lock-in to their ecosystem any way they can make it happen, whether it be through their usability, their OS, their App Store, or iTunes. They don’t want to be interoperable because then you might realize you’re paying a huge premium for an inferior product.

>They don’t want to be interoperable because then you might realize you’re paying a huge premium for an inferior product.

As someone who've been on linux for almost a decade on different notebooks and then switched to mac - no, not an inferior product in any way.

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