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Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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10 years from now cyberterrorism companies with government clearance will be selling machine learning models trained on these logs of previous criminals. Sad.

Maybe then we will have finally got them all and declare the war on terrorism officially over!!

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Then you get throttled by your ISP

Then people move to Germany for the good internet.

As a side effect, then those people will be living in a country that already has laws against this kind of thing...

You know, because of the... unpleasantness.

But no worries, you go ahead with what you're doing, UK. Good job. Maybe IBM can offer some technical experience in this area.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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post #51

10 years from now cyberterrorism companies with government clearance will be selling machine learning models trained on these logs of previous criminals. Sad.

Maybe then we will have finally got them all and declare the war on terrorism officially over!!

Yes, yes that is exactly what they will do. Shareholders and lobbyists be damned.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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I would like to see this data collected and published . Data you send out over the internet unencrypted doesn't have an expectation of privacy. Yet lots of people assume stuff like this is private. The only way to close the gap is to publish the data so everyone can see exactly what they and others are inadvertently telling the world.

Someone did this for torrents, they built a website that scrapes the DHT data and creates a record of every torrent downloaded by each IP address, publicly searchable. This data is technically public and anyone could have got it including governments, making a site to access it just helps awareness.

https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/

It listed a bunch of stuff that I never downloaded though...

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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So essentially they're collecting net flow data on every citizen. It may be kind of fun to overload their storage by creating a ton of short connections, probably wouldn't be feasible.

A python script to visit random scraped form directory websites or just having it request invaild pages if you want the logging to be least compressable.

I created a tool awhile back that pretty much does this https://github.com/eth0izzle/Needl - it’s gone stale so looking for new contributors

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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1. Trivial to bypass: Check 2. Further degrades the privacy of the general public: Check Just another day in internet legislation.

This often makes me think, what would happen if the authorities suddenly instituted something that actually wasn't trivial to bypass? There are smart people working for them, why do they keep bringing in this stuff that doesn't actually have an effect against the baddies? Is it possible that they are self-sabotaging because they actually realize they don't want to live in the world they are rushing headlong towards?…

I think it is supposed to be a slow erosion of our rights over time so that each generation that follows every thing seems par to the course.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Someone did this for torrents, they built a website that scrapes the DHT data and creates a record of every torrent downloaded by each IP address, publicly searchable. This data is technically public and anyone could have got it including governments, making a site to access it just helps awareness.

https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/ It listed a bunch of stuff that I never downloaded though...

You could be using a dynamic IP, this site links downloads to IP

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Tell the right you are looking for Islamic terrorists. Tell the left you are looking for white supremacists. Like shooting fish in a barrel; total surveillance state achieved.

Tell the above you are looking for Aliens, who cares right, left or flipping middle :D

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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The article says they are trying: "The IPAct effectively prohibits ISPs from talking about much of this, which makes it difficult to verify the details" I'm not sure if the "URL" column in a table in the article is supposed to contain URLs. In the example it only has domain names. I don't think full URLs can be obtained from SSL/TLS connections.

I assume it's because to lay people don't distinguish a domain name, an FQDN, eTLD+1, URL, "web address", URI, etc. and I'm sure that it's just as frustrating in any other discipline with a complicated vocabulary. When your browser tries to display https://www.example.com/some/directory?someParameter=Value#A... :: #Appendix isn't sent anywhere, your browser only needs that locally The path /some/directory and the que…

You do NOT desire ECH, if a server echoes all certificates it carries with. https://github.com/AZ-X/pique

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]: > "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had bee…

Because it's abstract. The people aren't _actively_ having to do anything, such as hand over their records - it's happening away from them. It's hard to connect with abstract. It's easier for people to connect with the reason _for_ doing it. Stop the terrorists, it may happen to you, etc. But the other way round is harder because it's invisible and you can live your life without caring. Even the warnings fall on deaf…

I think it's also a lot easier to dismiss with the use of media pundits on replay saying "if you have nothing to hide then there's no issue".
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