10 years from now cyberterrorism companies with government clearance will be selling machine learning models trained on these logs of previous criminals. Sad.
Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#52Tell the right you are looking for Islamic terrorists. Tell the left you are looking for white supremacists. Like shooting fish in a barrel; total surveillance state achieved.
The actual left is generally against that sort of thing, and even significant factions on the right don't want the kind of government control, what you should be concerned about are liberal centrist people.
You're right[0], though you won't get much recognition on HN.
Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#53So essentially they're collecting net flow data on every citizen. It may be kind of fun to overload their storage by creating a ton of short connections, probably wouldn't be feasible.
A python script to visit random scraped form directory websites or just having it request invaild pages if you want the logging to be least compressable.
Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#54So essentially they're collecting net flow data on every citizen. It may be kind of fun to overload their storage by creating a ton of short connections, probably wouldn't be feasible.
A python script to visit random scraped form directory websites or just having it request invaild pages if you want the logging to be least compressable.
Do want ISPs to charge by the minute again? Because that's how we get there.
Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
A python script to visit random scraped form directory websites or just having it request invaild pages if you want the logging to be least compressable.
Do want ISPs to charge by the minute again? Because that's how we get there.
If ISPs tried than the public would pressure the government to drop the law.
I calculate with 50% reduction from compression (After the required back-ups to comply with the law the number will be much worse for the ISP). That somone on VM 500Mbits using less than 10% of their connection for this could increase their log size by 200GB per day or 73TB over the 12 months.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
And then lie about it to congress. Repeatedly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwiUVUJmGjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc And then lying about lying about it. https://youtu.be/2d03yjXRPtI?t=262
Congress then really outdid themselves by focusing all legislation on telephone calls (as if anyone younger than 60 even cares about that part) and leaving the internet snooping untouched. Really fantastic misdirection.
Ahh, but it’s actually very clever: young terrorists use phone calls to communicate figuring all the normal means are being spied upon whereas nobody uses the phone anyway so it won’t be spied on.
Diabolical!
Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#57Tell the right you are looking for Islamic terrorists. Tell the left you are looking for white supremacists. Like shooting fish in a barrel; total surveillance state achieved.
The actual left is generally against that sort of thing, and even significant factions on the right don't want the kind of government control, what you should be concerned about are liberal centrist people.
I think what you mean by "actual" left is probably more accurately described as libertarian left as apposed to authoritarian left. Both are real.
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#58Is a datacentre considered an ISP in this respect? Between vpns and just remote desktoping into a VM, it seems trivial to circumvent to real criminals while being a privacy nightmare to the rest of the population. There is a probability 1.000 that this data will be abused.
What I want to know is: what happened? I always think of this event 70 years ago [0]:
> "police obtained the fingerprints of every male aged 16 and over who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn on the night of 14-15 May to compare their fingerprints to those left at the crime scene by the perpetrator. ... a milestone in the history of forensic science; this being the first time a mass fingerprinting exercise had been implemented to solve a murder in the United Kingdom."
> Just weeks prior to the execution of Peter Griffiths, all the fingerprint records obtained from individuals who had been in the vicinity of Blackburn between 14 and 15 May were publicly destroyed [emphasis my own] in a mass pulping exercise at a local papermill. Several local journalists were present to record the destruction of the records.
Why was society so vigilant about giving data that might be abused to authorities, and now, when the data is so much more vast and powerful, no one seems to care?
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_June_Anne_Devaney
Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#59I would like to see this data collected and published . Data you send out over the internet unencrypted doesn't have an expectation of privacy. Yet lots of people assume stuff like this is private. The only way to close the gap is to publish the data so everyone can see exactly what they and others are inadvertently telling the world.
Someone did this for torrents, they built a website that scrapes the DHT data and creates a record of every torrent downloaded by each IP address, publicly searchable. This data is technically public and anyone could have got it including governments, making a site to access it just helps awareness.
Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
The actual left is generally against that sort of thing, and even significant factions on the right don't want the kind of government control, what you should be concerned about are liberal centrist people.
I think what you mean by "actual" left is probably more accurately described as libertarian left as apposed to authoritarian left. Both are real.
Probably more like "actual left" in contrast to the milquetoast kind that passes for the left wing of mainstream US politics, which are center-right by global standards.