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Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

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I would like to see this data collected and published.

Data you send out over the internet unencrypted doesn't have an expectation of privacy. Yet lots of people assume stuff like this is private.

The only way to close the gap is to publish the data so everyone can see exactly what they and others are inadvertently telling the world.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

#32

Why didn't they just do what the US Gov did? Snoop but not tell anyone. Certainly would have saved them some grief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...

And then lie about it to congress. Repeatedly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwiUVUJmGjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNXVgYhPOc And then lying about lying about it. https://youtu.be/2d03yjXRPtI?t=262

Congress then really outdid themselves by focusing all legislation on telephone calls (as if anyone younger than 60 even cares about that part) and leaving the internet snooping untouched. Really fantastic misdirection.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Using candy-coated language for such things is as (almost as) harmful as the acts themselves. 'Snooping' isn't candy-coated language in British English, and this is a British article. It's just another way to say surveillance. You're imagining a meaning that isn't there.

Brit here: can concur. 'Snooping' is pejorative in British English. It implies that (at the very least) you are sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and always carries a hint of sinister overtone.

Snooping is what your neighbor does.

Surveillance is a whole other level.

When your ISP is logging your every move for a year. And making it available to the government. Regardless of country, that's not snooping. It's surveillance.

The fact that some of you accept snooping as being legitimate description simply proves my point about candy-coating it.

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

#35
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All it suggests is that the UK is happy to curry favour with the US government and doesn't give a hoot about the perceived rights of American citizens. Harsh, but true. Their own citizens are an entirely different ballpark, as you might say.

The UK government is also even more lax than the US one with regard to its own citizens privacy.

I don't know, i think the mentality here is that the government is spying for you, not at you. Is it different in the us? And is that because all revelations revolve around the fact that citizens are being spied on?

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want to derail a very interesting thread but IMHO snooping has a darker connotation than surveilling.

The night security guard surveills the premisis. Your school nemesis snoops on what you're up to to try to embarrass or one-up you in some way. Surveillance can be good or bad. Snooping is always bad.

You've left the context out of your position.

This is a couple ISPs in bed with the government. Under what conditions is that good surveillance?

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brit here: can concur. 'Snooping' is pejorative in British English. It implies that (at the very least) you are sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and always carries a hint of sinister overtone.

Snooping is what your neighbor does. Surveillance is a whole other level. When your ISP is logging your every move for a year. And making it available to the government. Regardless of country, that's not snooping. It's surveillance. The fact that some of you accept snooping as being legitimate description simply proves my point about candy-coating it.

> When your ISP is logging your every move for a year. And making it available to the government. Regardless of country, that's not snooping.

But that's just not true in British English.

I don't know anything about you but your comments imply you're not British? If so, you'll just have to accept you don't know the meaning of these words in written British English.

You're mistaken. I don't know what else to tell you?

Re: Two UK Broadband ISPs Trial New Internet Snooping System

#39
post #22

i'm not as concerned as i might be. My rather meager understanding, which may be entirely baseless, is, that unlike the NSA which is obsessive about collecting every single scrap of data (and many large chunks), the UK intelligence services are rather more discerning. Again, i would be happy for someone to correct me, that's just the general impression i get.

I recommend reading this article, which includes leaked documents from GCHQ's Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG). https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

That is truly nasty stuff. Stuff like this is part of the reason i try not invest too much of myself on the 'net and obfuscate as much as possible (i'm not really a marshmallow).
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