I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service • Hacker News Board

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by tux3 » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

boogies wrote: post #240

gnull wrote: post #225

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I use Compose key for this, surprised nobody mentioned it here yet. This way it works in all X11 apps (Sway supports this out of the box as well), with no need for extra software or some specific desktop environment. Just put something like : "" : "" : "" in your ~/.XCompose. Yes, you have to put all the emojis you want there manually, but I use very few of them so it works for me. EDIT: HN removed the emojis from my…

My n00buntu derivative has some emojis and other logograms out of the box, eg. lines 326–337 of /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose: : "" U262D # HAMMER AND SICKLE : "Ⓐ" U24B6 # CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A : "♥" U2665 # BLACK HEART SUIT : "" U263A # WHITE SMILING FACE : "" U2639 # WHITE FROWNING FACE : "" # PERSON RAISING BOTH HANDS IN CELEBRATION : "" U1F4A9 # PILE OF POO : "" U1F595 # REVERSED HAND WITH MI…

Oh, those are in Debian, as a matter of fact!

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by danaliv » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

dmingod666 wrote: post #313

jefe_ wrote: post #112

The customer's words echoed in his mind. 'robert at lightbulb emoji dot kz, but with a real lightbulb emoji.' The clerk had registered thousands, maybe tens of thousands of e-mails into the Nordstrom Rack Nordy Rewards program, and he had seen it all, but this, this was something entirely new. This wasn't the single letter username or the overly sexual address or the gmail address with the plus sign, all mildly inter…

Very well written. Bill burr on his podcast was talking about, when he first discovered reddit. He couldn't understand what it was... He then realized later.. "it's a site for people that really like to type.. that's what it is.."

I like to think of Wikipedia as a site for people who like to correct other people.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by dmingod666 » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

LeonM wrote: post #97

This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'. I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is effectively a one-men side project. I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no T…

'Serious', 'enterprise'.. and email addresses ending in star emoji, eggplant emoji.. wonder how that venn diagram would look like..

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by vmception » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

> Mailoji was not a proper business yet, so there was no way I could publish my ad.

I always have shelf businesses registered and available for this.

Its an art and almost passtime for me to sit down with bankers and open accounts for these things soon after registration and give the bare minimum information

“It’s a tech company”

“no, there isn’t a website its 2021 it just uses telegram and wechat to get customers”

(remember: the bank doesn't actually care about their anti-money laundering statutes either, they care about you giving them a reason to care, which is very different.)

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by ableal » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

cmehdy wrote: post #261

Theory5 wrote: post #190

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As a security person its hard as heck training (some of) our users to understand how basic domain formats work. We use a phishing simulation service, and outside of certain content,putting part or all of our company name in the domain but adding other words/underscores/etc is what tricks a lot of people. I tend to explain how it works in a basic format, and often you can see the light bulb go off when I point out how…

This stuff is not really well made for normal people, to be honest. Just look at all the discussions and troubles (tickets, misunderstandings, security risks) related to email and hyperlink parsers.. It took me a while to know that FQDNs can (and sometimest must?) start at root with a period, meaning every address you've ever typed could have finished with a period (news.ycombinator.com.) and I recall some newspaper…

Please stop downvoting this. If not an unpleasant truth, it's at least a widely held perception, which must have a reason. (And I suspect that reason is because it's true ...)

> this is a valid email address apparently: #!$%&’*+-/=?^_`{}|~@example.com

If so, that's actually the same as #!$%&’*@example.com (mail user 'foo+bar' is the same as 'foo'). Many webforms/DBs don't know that.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

mns wrote: post #68

prepend wrote: post #6

> I setup an email forwarder to route all email sent to .ws to my regular email address. >Eagerly I typed ben@.ws into the "to" field of gmail and hit send. > The email never hit my inbox. It was lost forever in cyberspace. I think this was just caused by Gmail now working when a message is sent and received at the same account. It just disappears. [0] It’s really annoying, it’s not part of a spec, it’s just gmail. I…

Exchange also does this, if you are part of a group, send an email to that group, you will never get it. We ran into it when one of our systems were sending an alert for a failed action to a group, but it was sending it on behalf of the person that tried to do that action and eventually failed. Everyone in the group was getting the email, except the original person.

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Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by growt » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #165

growt wrote: post #138

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If you asked 100 people in Germany(!) what "KZ" stands for the result would be something like 95 say "Konzentrationslager", 5 say "I don't know" and 0 "ISO code for Kazakhstan".

Indeed. But if you ask the whole world (as we're on the internet), 1% might recognize it as "Konzentrationslager", 2% might recognize it as Kazakhstan and the rest have no idea. So for general internet usage, I think it's fine. We're not modelling the internet after German customs after all.

I just tried to explain why the .kz email-address would be problematic for germans. I didn't propose that this should be the general rule for all the internet. Personally I don't have a problem if someone from another country emails me from a .kz domain. But I wouldn't get one myself and if the person emailing me is german I would probably look twice to see what the reason behind that domain choice is.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by sphaerophoria » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

scaladev wrote: post #160

kozak wrote: post #152

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By the way, we already have an "emoji button" on our keyboards: on Windows, it's the Win+. keystroke. Try it if your Windows 10 is updated enough.

A couple of alternatives for Linux users. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus#Emoji_input The kitty terminal emulator supports this out of the box (it also works on two other platforms): https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty Ctrl+Shift+U opens a Unicode input panel with fuzzy search by symbol code or name.

There's also https://github.com/salty-horse/ibus-uniemoji if you want something a little more interactive.

I wrote https://github.com/sphaerophoria/ibus-memebox for myself because I wasn't quite happy with the performance of any of the solutions I found.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by acvny » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:11 PM UTC

This promotional video is epic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxEXZv4G3c

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by notsureaboutpg » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 5:11 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #113

LeonM wrote: post #97

This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'. I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is effectively a one-men side project. I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no T…

I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't expect something like this to work reliably.

This isn't true at all. Many many many of my non-technical family members would not have any clue why emoji domain names and emoji email addresses could not be used. They love emoji (like most people) and want to use them everywhere. And if someone offered them an emoji email address, they'd easily pay for it and expect it to work like gmail/hotmail/yahoo

They would not understand the following terms: unicode, punycode, domain name, mailserver, mail forwarding, tld. They would even probably reply to the wrong email (the website shows that the emoji email forwards mail to a normal email which sends the mail to you, so you should not click "Reply" on any email forwarded from this service to you).

Don't assume customers' expectations.