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"Oh yeah, that C octothorp language, I've heard of it."
I happen to be an expert in C Sink
But how are you in C Add Add?
We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…
I had a recruiter say "XML and UML are basically the same, right?". There's almost a dangerous level of knowledge among some recruiters where they think they know enough to do crap like this.
That made me LOL.
If I told you I once had a recruiter assume MVS and TSO were the same, you'd pretty much be able to guess my age from that.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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The trick isn't memorizing them. The trick is discovering them. I've been emitting various versions of Wingardium Leviosa at Spring Boot for days now, with no effect. Once I've learned the incantation I'll have it and can repeat it in ten seconds, but until I have it I'm producing no actual work. Arguably, I'm more valuable because I have the capacity to eventually figure this out, rather than having already memorize…
From my perspective, a great advantage of Java over non-statically-typed languages is that when I make a stupid error, most likely the IDE will notice it and underline it immediately . Thus I don't waste my time hunting for stupid errors. That is, unless I use Spring. The stupid Spring-related errors only appear at runtime. Ok, honestly, after a year, using Spring is more convenient than not using it. (Basically, the…
> It reminds me of my childhood experience with Turbo Pascal, where you had to wait until the compiler told you that you missed a semicolon... and then it pointed at the wrong place -- not the place where the semicolon should have been, but usually the beginning of the next line. After some time, it becomes obvious, but the first time it's definitely not.
C++ template expansion and linker errors come to mind. First time you encounter those it's typically either very short and cryptic or at least 500 errors and the compiler hitting an internal limit of how many of them to display.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#634So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.
It's not that bad. Real hypocrisy would be lying about how great the job is to get better candidates, and then getting upset when the candidates lie about how qualified they are to get better jobs.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#635> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
Is there any reason to use a 3rd party recruiter? The listings are all public, just submit a resume.
All my offers came from applying direct. Always got the runaround from recruiters.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Be aware when you do this that there are a minority of companies for whom the requirements are actually requirements, and you may get yelled at by an interviewer for "wasting everybody's time." Yes, this has happened to me. On the up side I now have a list of a few companies I know I won't work for unless I'm desperate. The advice is still good; the requirements are really more of "strong desire" than actual requirem…
As long as you didn't list those requirements on your resume, then I don't see how it's your fault that the recruiting manager didn't filter you out.
Yeah it was weird:
"Did you work with at company Y?"
"No, I worked with "
"Then where did you work with ?"
"I haven't"
Cue rant about wasting everybody's time...
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…
> "Sure aren't Java and C# are pretty much the same thing?" While it was extremely unethical for him to change your CV, Java and C# are indeed very similar, to the point that most organizations use devs with that background interchangeably. If that company really ruled you out because you had 7 years of C# experience, and not 7 years of Java experience, you likely dodged a bullet.
Meh, sure a C# dev can do Java and get up to speed with it pretty quickly, but certainly a proper Java dev will be more productive immediately. Knowledge of frameworks is a real skill for example.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
#638> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…
Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…
> Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java
>Sure aren't Java and C# are pretty much the same thing?
Yea, hear that from the other side:
I went for interview at Amazon (~2017?) for Java backend engineer. During the interview they were asking me only JavaScript questions from what looked like a standardized form to filter out phonies. I obviously failed the interview. Was told if this isn't the job I wanted I should apply for a different job and come back when I get some more experience in... Java. The recruiter had absolutely no idea that Java isn't JS and was interrupting me when I tried to explain the situation. I really should have applied for a job I wanted. One of the worst interviews I event went to.
Java devs with wide recruiters network got such emails weekly, calls monthly, until TypeScript came to rescue.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Gradle & Maven are just build tools. They can be used for other stuff, but that's what they're mostly used for in my experience.
I actually find the things _around_ the languages like build tools and ansible and such by far the more confusing parts of dev work just because I never know which of them I should spend time trying to understand and if I just want a runthrough for someone who can already program I never know where to look.
When I started developing I felt the same way. One day I finally decided that maven was going to be around long enough (and I was going to be a java dev long enough) to spend some time learning. It didn't take long, couple days at most, man has it saved me a lot of grief over the years. CSS was the same, although it took longer than a couple of days, it has been more than worth it.
Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars
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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…
> "Sure aren't Java and C# are pretty much the same thing?" While it was extremely unethical for him to change your CV, Java and C# are indeed very similar, to the point that most organizations use devs with that background interchangeably. If that company really ruled you out because you had 7 years of C# experience, and not 7 years of Java experience, you likely dodged a bullet.
> If that company really ruled you out because you had 7 years of C# experience, and not 7 years of Java experience, you likely dodged a bullet.
Respectfully, I disagree. Things that you should learn over 7 years of experience go far beyond learning the language itself or the fundamentals of its standard library. We're talking about two very different ecosystems.