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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by 908B64B197 »

halostatue wrote: post #387
cosmodisk wrote: post #354

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The recruiter was in idiot but not to consider c# dev for Java job is quite silly too.

C# and Java the language are similar enough; the ecosystems are very different. A C# developer would mostly be expecting to develop Windows programs or possibly Windows server / IIS applications. A Java developer could be working on all kinds of different things.

If someone can't learn a new ecosystem, I have bad news for them in this industry.

Also, rejecting someone because they can't rote memorize ecosystem specific incantations is... a pretty big red flag.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by 908B64B197 »

ufmace wrote: post #463
pacman2 wrote: post #244

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"The whole recruitment process seems broken " The IT market is pretty good compared to other fields but in the and, the market might have collapsed already. ""The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism" is a well-known[1][2] 1970 paper by economist George Akerlof which examines how the quality of goods traded in a market can degrade in the presence of information asymmetry between buyers and…

Probably some of that, plus the factors mentioned in Joel's old blog post: In an over-simplified world of Good Developers and Bad Developers, the Good Developers generally don't get fired or quit much, and if they do, can usually get another job through references they made at their last one. If they happen to not have any references who can get them a new job and enter the general recruiting market, they usually get…

> In an over-simplified world of Good Developers and Bad Developers, the Good Developers generally don't get fired or quit much, and if they do, can usually get another job through references they made at their last one. If they happen to not have any references who can get them a new job and enter the general recruiting market, they usually get snapped up quickly.

They will also get snapped even before they end-up on the open market. For college hires, might be more than a year before they graduate or accepting a full time position at the end of an internship.

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Post by prophesi »

heywintermute wrote: post #502
prophesi wrote: post #485

I would think FB is better off accepting liars, as their evident lack of a moral compass will make it easier to work on making a social media platform even more addictive and invasive.

The link is to a post on a Facebook group. The contents of the post has nothing to do with Facebook the company...

D'oh, sorry about that. I have Little Snitch denying all connections to FB related domains so I didn't even bother to check the URL.

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Post by ajford »

meheleventyone wrote: post #451
seg_lol wrote: post #318

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That is absolutely phenomenal. I assume your Python code had functional stylings that would translate well into how the team used Scala? What was the rest of your experience like there? Sounds like a place that thinks at a deeper level than most.

Is it unusual? I’ve changed jobs three times now going into places with different languages than ones I had much experience of. IME it takes about as much time to learn the codebase as it does to learn a new language and both go hand in glove.

IME it depends on the shop and it's own skill level. If you've got a bunch of devs with only experience in the tech stack the company is using, they'll be heavily selective for a match to their stack. If they've got a broad set of internal tools in a bunch of languages, they're likely selecting more broadly based on overall skill or the ability to get up to speed.

And I'm 100% with you there, learning a new place's codebase can often take as much or more time than learning a new language (at least if you've got experience with a couple of languages already). There's at least tutorials and guides for a new language, and there's rarely good docs and resources for the codebase.

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ljd wrote: post #506

As a counter example, a recruiter once called me asking if I could "put the angular in outlook," recognizing this as total nonsense I said, "Sure that's something I could do" knowing that I would be able to talk to the team looking to hire and ask them for clarification. It ended up being one of my favorite contracts; I was able to be part of an industry changing technology platform. Had I said that I didn't have any…

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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by smoe »

falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

Someone currently working on a new language should grab that name. Not bad to from the get go to be able to put a name like Facebook as a heavy user of your technology on the landing page ...

Edit: and then go to an interview at Facebook and claim not just that you are an expert in this language but the creator

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Post by npsimons »

gjvr wrote: post #445
noneeeed wrote: post #372

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I had a recruiter say "XML and UML are basically the same, right?". There's almost a dangerous level of knowledge among some recruiters where they think they know enough to do crap like this.

Ha Ha. Thats’s even worse than the ‘C Hashtag’ that an HR dude was rambling on about.

"Oh yeah, that C octothorp language, I've heard of it."

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Post by delfinom »

chromanoid wrote: post #418
vorpalhex wrote: post #411

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> Now that is why if I ever have to send my CV to someone it will only be a PDF version. Make sure it's digitally signed and locked. I've had recruiters do hacky edits to plain pdfs before.

Are you sure recruiters won't also circumvent this when they engage in such shady practices? Print and scan is an easy way to get around this.

The shit recruitment house my company uses basically just copy and pastes resumes into their own branded templates

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by npsimons »

ljd wrote: post #506

As a counter example, a recruiter once called me asking if I could "put the angular in outlook," recognizing this as total nonsense I said, "Sure that's something I could do" knowing that I would be able to talk to the team looking to hire and ask them for clarification. It ended up being one of my favorite contracts; I was able to be part of an industry changing technology platform. Had I said that I didn't have any…

Half the battle is "beating requirements out of users" as I like to put it. This bullshit of trying to bait people into lying is just wasting everyone's time. I hope it leads to them ruling out a lot of really good candidates (eg, honest people who won't answer the ad because they've never heard of 'MOVA').

And before someone counters with "you should be flexible", I consider myself unfit for a position if I've never even heard of something they list on the want ad. If I found out they intentionally made up something just to trip people up, that's a big red flag for me. Who knows what other bullshit they'll try to pull once you're actually working for them.

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