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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Someone will just make the "Mova" language now, out of spite #estoteric the basic requirements should be * it should be easy to have mandatory experience in the language * it should not be perceived as a joke * Turing complete

That's a similar spirit to Rockstar and Enterprise - they're joke languages to poke fun at employer requirements. Rockstar actually looks fun to play with, in a code-as-art sort of way. :)

https://codewithrockstar.com/

https://github.com/joaomilho/Enterprise

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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I would think FB is better off accepting liars, as their evident lack of a moral compass will make it easier to work on making a social media platform even more addictive and invasive.

The link is to a post on a Facebook group. The contents of the post has nothing to do with Facebook the company...

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

This is why I don't hand out my resume as a word (or whatever doc). It goes out as a PDF. My assumption is that someone smart enough to edit it, is smart enough to know that adding needed shit to the resume is a bad idea.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Hobbies don't have to be maximally mastered, no. But what's the point of putting something on your resume if you're not particularly good at it? In my opinion that's the only kind of thing that should be on a resume. I think if you put a hobby on a resume for the purpose of signaling some kind of orthogonal skillset ostensibly related to the job (like in this example, "strategy"), it stops being just about your perso…

Resumes are meant to be highly subjective and bias inducing things - you're trying to convince someone to hire you. Your resume is a brief summary of why you're a good fit for the company in general and the role in particular. An extremely large portion of that fit is your personality. Hobbies and interests are an excellent way to convey the type of person that you are. Putting down that you enjoy camping doesn't mea…

> which means you are probably a person who enjoys somewhat adversarial situations where you need to win with your logic and you are comfortable with taking short term losses for long term gains

Sure - to which my next question becomes, are you actually good at it? If you're not, I don't professionally care if you personally enjoy it.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Never send doc. Always pdf. Next time I'm lookin I'm gonna send a jpeg for shits n giggles. Same goes for references, always, "available on request for the employer who can reach out if they like, no you can't have them. Go find your own clients".

At least do a png. JPEG compression is murder to text.

This may be a benefit in this case, as sneaky edits to a JPEG full of text will show up as a difference in patterns of artifacts - original text will be compressed twice, while the edits just once (or once and zero if they save the edited image to PNG). Takes a bit of time and skill to make this unnoticeable.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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As a counter example, a recruiter once called me asking if I could "put the angular in outlook," recognizing this as total nonsense I said, "Sure that's something I could do" knowing that I would be able to talk to the team looking to hire and ask them for clarification.

It ended up being one of my favorite contracts; I was able to be part of an industry changing technology platform. Had I said that I didn't have any experience putting angular in outlook, its doubtful any of that would have come to fruition.

The lesson I learned here is when I'm hiring to make sure I don't eliminate good candidates with bad requirements and as a candidate I'm inclined to say "yes" to non-technical recruiters even when I know 100% that its impossible.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

> Now that is why if I ever have to send my CV to someone it will only be a PDF version. This doesn't always help either though. I have only ever sent PDFs to recruiters for this reason. Yet I have still had a recruiter completely rewrite my resume and add false information. I generally keep a resume on me when I go to an interview just in case an interviewer had not seen it. I'm glad I do that.

I've had them re-type the resume and add typos and errors. I don't need a recruiter for that. I can put typos and errors on my resume by myself just fine.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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That's something I've noticed over the last 10 years or so as job descriptions get longer. All those new terms like React, Vue, SaaS, Azure, AWS etc. They don't really know what they mean. I was asked if I could code in Azure. This led to a weird conversation where I was trying to explain what Azure was, whilst he wouldn't listen to me and was adamant that it was a programming language.

"But can you code in API? I don't want your life story, just answer me! Do you know API?!" I'm so lucky, I think I found the best recruiter in all Vancouver. He helped me get my ideal role and was generally kind and competent. Just to offset the horror stories.

How did you find your recruiter? Do you mind sharing the rough process that unfolded? Not asking for you to share them, just wondering if there are any takeaways you would have for others on the process.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Do you think this would explain the status of places like LinkedIn? Long ago, it was an OK place to have an online CV. Now it is a place people use show off with non-relevant _stuff_.

LinkedIn is a weird place indeed. Every couple months or so I pop in to check something or somebody out, and my eyes briefly skim my "feed". What I've noticed over the past year or two is that people who I know personally that have much more clout and much better network than I do, particularly the ones I know from the local startup culture - the people who have no reason to visit the site - they seem to be posting a…

> I have two competing hypotheses for it. One, they're just bored, and LinkedIn is the new Facebook for middle/upper-middle class people. Two, there are signalling to and chasing people with access to lots of money, who for reasons unfathomable to me, also hang out on LinkedIn.

Here's a third one: It's curated to folks with similar professional interests and isn't political.

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