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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by waheoo »

lwigo wrote: post #351
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340

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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

Recruiters will straight up ask for .DOC versions, too. The gall.

Never send doc. Always pdf. Next time I'm lookin I'm gonna send a jpeg for shits n giggles.

Same goes for references, always, "available on request for the employer who can reach out if they like, no you can't have them. Go find your own clients".

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Post by softawre »

hutzlibu wrote: post #234
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #172

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"She wasn't in a position to lose a job at the time, and felt she had no other choice but to begin lying about numbers to meet the targets " But what have they done to deserve the truth? More or less this is how we get thinga like Chernobyl, when the entire chain is lying because the cost of tellong the truth is too high and there is no incentive to do so.

"and there is no incentive to do so. " Still, after the accident some of the engineers went for a literal suicide mission to open some ventil to make it all less catastrophic. And unlike the poor construction workers, who died, too, they knew what they were doing. I doubt they did it just for the postmortal fame. Some people have actually moral standards and can stand by it, even if it means disadvantages.

Just FYI, those 3 heroes didn't die right away like it hinted in the show. They lived normalish lives.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by NoOneNew »

jefftk wrote: post #347
falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

You don't list it as a requirement; list it as something that would be nice to have.

I was just thinking this. If it's labeled as an optional skill or something like that, I see nothing wrong with it. Applicant has no reason to lie about it. Have confidence in their other skills. At the same time, we have this new thing called search engines. If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. Even better for the company. A person who won't lie and/or can research out BS for themselves. Pretty good candidate thus far. Devs are supposed to be self-reliant to a degree. A good question for the interviewee to ask the interviewer too.

If it's labeled a "requirement", yea, they were inviting dishonesty. No one should bother to apply since they don't qualify instantly.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by hnbear »

Definitely the recruiter. They destroy resumes.

Best/worse experience - walked into the interview and the interviewer asked if I preferred to go by first name or last name. I said I'm happy to be Alex, but don't hugely mind. He said - no "First Name, or Last Name", and showed me the resume.

The recruiter had stripped off header, slapped on theirs, with logos and all, and forgotten to change their boilerplate, so my name on the resume was literally "First Name Last Name".

Luckily I had a print out of my real resume with me to show him, and that I wasn't the type to submit a resume without my name on it.

They'd also ended up putting 1 line onto a second page, which is minor compared to missing off my name, but pretty annoying given I'd put a fair amount of time into coming up with a nice 1-page resume.

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

eternalban wrote: post #276
dempseye wrote: post #209

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The recruiter did good work here. I suspect this was a screw up in internal HR. The external recruiter has absolutely no incentive to send you for an interview you will bomb out of.

Nonsense told to me repeatedly by recruiters over the years: - (your point) no incentive to send you for an interview if not a good fit. - "I make more money if you make your money" often said to spin the "what is your salary requirement" question Most recruiters work for an agency. Agencies have accounts with businesses. The account is central. You are in no position whatsoever to make determination as to what incen…

About 4 years ago I outright fired a UK agency over that, told them delete my contact details and never call me again.

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Post by rightbyte »

sitkack wrote: post #306
ant6n wrote: post #247

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I once applied for an internship at EA and thought I was invited for an interview on C. They gave me some C++ code to fix, which I didn't know, it wasn't on my CV. They just said "well this code is basically C", although I was pretty confused about those extra "&" the whole time, and it was a pretty rough experience. In the end I didn't get the job, but their response said I didn't get it because the found that my ex…

That is a very meta occurrence of a flaw in C++. They could have unchecked wrapping addition or they indexed off the end of their array.

The extra "&" probably refers to different references.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

hashtag-til wrote: post #352
pacman2 wrote: post #244

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"The whole recruitment process seems broken " The IT market is pretty good compared to other fields but in the and, the market might have collapsed already. ""The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism" is a well-known[1][2] 1970 paper by economist George Akerlof which examines how the quality of goods traded in a market can degrade in the presence of information asymmetry between buyers and…

Do you think this would explain the status of places like LinkedIn? Long ago, it was an OK place to have an online CV. Now it is a place people use show off with non-relevant _stuff_.

LinkedIn is a weird place indeed. Every couple months or so I pop in to check something or somebody out, and my eyes briefly skim my "feed". What I've noticed over the past year or two is that people who I know personally that have much more clout and much better network than I do, particularly the ones I know from the local startup culture - the people who have no reason to visit the site - they seem to be posting and reposting a lot of _stuff_ there recently.

I have two competing hypotheses for it. One, they're just bored, and LinkedIn is the new Facebook for middle/upper-middle class people. Two, there are signalling to and chasing people with access to lots of money, who for reasons unfathomable to me, also hang out on LinkedIn.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by hnbear »

A couple of jobs ago I was interviewing a candidate and the first item on his long list of "tech I know" was AFS.

AFS is a pretty rare filesystem, but at the time we were one of the biggest users globally, and it underpinned all our servers. Finding someone with good knowledge would have been great.

Me: "So, AFS is pretty rare - but, can you tell me about your experience with it" Them: "Sorry, never heard of it" Me: "It's the first technology you list on your resume" Them: "Sorry, still never heard of it".

Not the best start they could have had in an interview, but have to give them credit for honesty.

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Post by datameta »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #205
junippor wrote: post #195

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---> the joke ---> your head

Well, as a joke it isn't a very good one in a "news for nerds" discussion like this, where someone could have been mistaken, or have been making the very valid point that many surzhyk speakers use jezyk in this context.

To add to this clarification: surzhyk is a continuum of regional language mixtures on the Ukranian Russian gradient.

And something I learned just today is that the word's etymological ancestor means "with rye", referring to bread made of a mixture of rye and other flour.

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Post by mumblemumble »

sumnole wrote: post #388
cosmodisk wrote: post #354

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The recruiter was in idiot but not to consider c# dev for Java job is quite silly too.

> sure aren't Java and c# the same thing? I wouldn't have gotten my first .net job without this line of thought. Sure enough, I picked up enough c# to be effective in the first week.

Ironically, going the other way seems to be more difficult. C# has more features to learn, but simply not using them until you learn them won't really hurt you. Going from C# to Java, on the other hand, has some traps. You can get yourself into hot water if you don't know, for example, that the boxed and unboxed numeric types have different equality semantics.
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