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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by protomyth »

noneeeed wrote: post #372
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

I had a recruiter say "XML and UML are basically the same, right?". There's almost a dangerous level of knowledge among some recruiters where they think they know enough to do crap like this.

I had one where "OWL is just like MFC, right?". At least she did listen while explained the differences. Sadly, I took a report writing gig to get out of one place. That was a hell of a bad call.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by ivalm »

dnh44 wrote: post #95
ivalm wrote: post #43

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To be fair, lots of people colloquially claim to be good at chess but can’t even stumble though a proper opening. The difference between say a class-a player and a rando is massive and easy to tell.

Memorising openings is also a crutch for players who aren’t that good so I’m not sure if I would use that as a benchmark for good players.

There are bad players who know openings, but there an no good players who don’t know openings.

Without opening theory you will just get worse middle game against any competent opponent. Furthermore, if you could just calculate everything ab inito your play would be identical to “memorized opening,” alpha zero did learn a lot of standard openings from self-play (without being shown these opening explicitly). If someone plays a “bad” opening in a serious game it’s because not only they don’t know theory but they also can’t calculate well enough.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by foota »

smoe wrote: post #516
falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

Someone currently working on a new language should grab that name. Not bad to from the get go to be able to put a name like Facebook as a heavy user of your technology on the landing page ... Edit: and then go to an interview at Facebook and claim not just that you are an expert in this language but the creator

The post is not by Facebook.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by guenthert »

dylan604 wrote: post #446
jefftk wrote: post #347

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You don't list it as a requirement; list it as something that would be nice to have.

Does the applicant get bonus points if the call out the BS "nice to have skill" in their cover letter?

There are thousands of programming languages, how would you know that any given doesn't exist?

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Post by developer92 »

jjk166 wrote: post #438
hashkb wrote: post #363

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Agree with the first part, obviously, but: why shouldn't there be an unequal power dynamic between employers and candidates? Isn't that sort of true by definition in employment?

They can hire anyone, I can work anywhere. In a properly functioning market, neither side should have any problem walking away from the table if the other side is being unreasonable. In practice though, companies can survive for months or even years without filling a position and the hiring manager rarely suffers directly for any inefficiency created by not filling a position, while most people can go only for a shor…

I've had the opposite, for example adding my boss to my linked in profile & updating just before pay negotiations has worked nicely for me. I've seen friends/colleagues go to their boss with a job offer and say I don't want to leave but with this rise I'm struggling to justify staying, and it's worked fine. I'm not in the US however.

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Post by nightcracker »

ficklepickle wrote: post #458
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #385

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That's something I've noticed over the last 10 years or so as job descriptions get longer. All those new terms like React, Vue, SaaS, Azure, AWS etc. They don't really know what they mean. I was asked if I could code in Azure. This led to a weird conversation where I was trying to explain what Azure was, whilst he wouldn't listen to me and was adamant that it was a programming language.

"But can you code in API? I don't want your life story, just answer me! Do you know API?!" I'm so lucky, I think I found the best recruiter in all Vancouver. He helped me get my ideal role and was generally kind and competent. Just to offset the horror stories.

API is web scale.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by NicoJuicy »

DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

The syntax of c# and java are quite similar.

But the ecosystem is way different, i think the recruiter mimicked someone else and thought c# is equivalent to java, while it's not.

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Post by aidenn0 »

brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

My dad had a recruiter delete his PhD from the education section. During the interview a topic related to his thesis came up, he mentioned his thesis and the interview was over because "we don't hire people with PhDs"

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by developer92 »

ficklepickle wrote: post #458
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's something I've noticed over the last 10 years or so as job descriptions get longer. All those new terms like React, Vue, SaaS, Azure, AWS etc. They don't really know what they mean. I was asked if I could code in Azure. This led to a weird conversation where I was trying to explain what Azure was, whilst he wouldn't listen to me and was adamant that it was a programming language.

"But can you code in API? I don't want your life story, just answer me! Do you know API?!" I'm so lucky, I think I found the best recruiter in all Vancouver. He helped me get my ideal role and was generally kind and competent. Just to offset the horror stories.

"I can code an API, yes."

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by cptskippy »

falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

These are the games played when Recruiters and HR are involved in the solicitation of resumes. HR will demand 20 years Swift experience, and Recruiters will pad your resume with 30 years.

Most experienced interviewees will show up to a face-to-face with copies of their resume in hand because of the way Recruiters fudge things.

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