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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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I admire resume liars. The job market isn't fair and you should do anything you can to get ahead. (Employers are going to pull tricks like this, so why not? Just be smart about it)

While I see your point, resume liars is also the reason why we have such draconian interviewing processes at the moment.

You can go to pretty much any tech company in the world, and somewhere, someone is going to have some horror story about hiring a seemingly competent (even perfect) candidate on paper, that turned out to be woefully incompetent. The types that are supposed to have a Masters degree + 5 years of industry experience, but can't code themselves out of a wet paper bag.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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> fraudulent behavior needs to be punished systematically since the erosion of trust will eventually destroy a market Can you expand on the quote from Gulliver's Travels? It's been decades since I read it and I can't think of where in the book it could have been from, I don't remember much economics being in the book...

They look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft, and therefore seldom fail to punish it with death; for they allege, that care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, may preserve a man’s goods from thieves, but honesty has no defence against superior cunning; and, since it is necessary that there should be a perpetual intercourse of buying and selling, and dealing upon credit, where fraud is permitted an…

What a gem this quote is. We index so much on punishing even fake violence in situations where there is real risk to both parties, and as a result, we incentivize fraud on a massive bubble scale level.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Recruiters will straight up ask for .DOC versions, too. The gall.

Never send doc. Always pdf. Next time I'm lookin I'm gonna send a jpeg for shits n giggles. Same goes for references, always, "available on request for the employer who can reach out if they like, no you can't have them. Go find your own clients".

At least do a png. JPEG compression is murder to text.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

I had a recruiter say "XML and UML are basically the same, right?". There's almost a dangerous level of knowledge among some recruiters where they think they know enough to do crap like this.

TBF the recruiter likely was parroting what a previous candidate they were repping told them. I frequently find I have to re-educate recruiters who were previously informed incorrectly.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

just ask the interviewer the sha of the CV pdf first ;)

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

Agree with the first part, obviously, but: why shouldn't there be an unequal power dynamic between employers and candidates? Isn't that sort of true by definition in employment?

They can hire anyone, I can work anywhere. In a properly functioning market, neither side should have any problem walking away from the table if the other side is being unreasonable.

In practice though, companies can survive for months or even years without filling a position and the hiring manager rarely suffers directly for any inefficiency created by not filling a position, while most people can go only for a short period of time without a job before their quality of life starts to suffer. At the same time, corporate consolidation means that in many areas (both geographic and technical) there are only a few major employers, meaning that being blacklisted by any one could be catastrophic for someone's career and meaning only a small number of individuals need to act in unison to manipulate the labor market (driving wages down, spreading bad hr practices, etc), basically all the problems of any other oligopoly. There is an asymmetry of information: the individual will only take on a few jobs over the course of their career and can not afford to experiment much as they go - for any given point in their lifetime, they're basically working with a sample size of 1; even a moderately sized employer on the other hand might hire dozens and interview thousands of people a year and have records of such recruiting data going back decades. Finally there is a social asymmetry - a company trying to poach an employee will likely not face any negative consequences for it, but an employee simply looking at what options are out there could potentially be viewed as disloyal and either be fired or removed from advancement tracks intended for long-term employees - a simple phone call to check a person's references could potentially put them into a much worse negotiating position. None of these issues are inherent, they pretty much all stem from weak labor laws and inadequate social safety nets.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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You don't list it as a requirement; list it as something that would be nice to have.

I was just thinking this. If it's labeled as an optional skill or something like that, I see nothing wrong with it. Applicant has no reason to lie about it. Have confidence in their other skills. At the same time, we have this new thing called search engines. If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. Even better for the company. A person who won't lie and/or can research out BS for the…

> If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap.

Eh... maybe, but there are obscure languages/platforms that don't search well.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Recruiters will straight up ask for .DOC versions, too. The gall.

It's common practice for recruiters to replace your personal contact info with their agency's header/contact info. I don't mind that. It makes sense. I generate my resume as a PDF from HTML/CSS. It's fun to see how recruiters handle that. I think most use image manipulation to insert their header. One recruiter sent me some image assets and let me add the header/footer myself. I'm sure some recruiters go too far with…

What are these recruiters you all talk about? Are these some middlemen you contract to get you a job? Like an athlete's/actor's agent?

I only had experience with recruiters who work for the organisation I'm interviewing for. None of this contact info / skills tampering makes sense in that context.

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