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Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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"Go bankrupt" is not a plan. Becoming insolvent might be the end result of a situation but it's not going to help you deal with it. Let's take an example which might lead to bankruptcy. A typical answer to a major disaster (let's say your main and sole building burning as a typical case) for an SME would be to cease activity, furlough employes and stop or defer every payments you can while you claim insurance and ass…

Hence the "final layer" statement. Bankruptcy when dealt with correctly is a process not an end. If everything else fail it's better to fill for bankruptcy when there is still something to recover with help of others than to burn everything to ashes because of your vanity. At least that's how I understood parent's comment.

As a quick interlude, since this may be confusing to non-US readers: bankruptcy in the United States in the context of business usually refers to two concepts, whereas in many other countries it refers to just one.

There are two types of bankruptcies in the US used most often by insolvent businesses: Chapter 7, and Chapter 11.

A Chapter 7 bankruptcy is what most people in other countries think of when they hear "bankruptcy" - it's the total dissolution of a business and liquidiation of its assets to satisfy its creditors. A business does not survive a Chapter 7. This is often referred to as a "bankruptcy" or "liquidation" in other countries.

A Chapter 11 bankruptcy, on the other hand, is a process by which a business is given court protection from its creditors and allowed to restructure. If the creditors are satisfied with the reorganisation plan (which may include agreeing to change the terms of outstanding debts), the business emerges from Chapter 11 protection and is allowed to continue operating. Otherwise, if an agreement can't be reached, the business may end up in Chapter 7 and get liquidated. Most countries have an equivalent to a Chapter 11, but the name for it varies widely. For example, Canada calls it a "Division 1 Proposal," Australia and the UK call it "administation," and Ireland calls it "examinership."

Since there's a lot of international visitors to HN I just thought I'd jump in and provide a bit of clarity so we can all ensure we're using the same definition of "bankruptcy." A US Chapter 7 bankruptcy is not a plan, it's the game over state. A US Chapter 11 bankruptcy, on the other hand, can definitely be a strategic maneuver when you're in serious trouble, so it can be part of the plan (hopefully far down the list).

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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Not done any research into it, but I always thought OVH was supposed to be a very budget VPS service primarily for personal use rather than business. Although thought it was akin to having a Raspberry Pi plugged in at home. Again, I may be completely wrong but why would you not use AWS/GCP? Even if it's complexity, Amazon have Lightsail, or if it's cost I thought DigitalOcean was one of the only reputable business-gr…

OVH is a European equivalent to Digital Ocean. It has twice the revenue, and is the third largest hosting provider in the world.

I would call it the EU Rackspace version. Except that it's not like insane Rackspace price.

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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If a fire supression kicks in or the fire department shows up with their hoses, would they still say the fire destroyed it or just say destroyed due to fire and water damage? Also, fire suppression system do fail. There was an infamous incident in LA for one of the studios. They built a warehouse to be a tape vault with tapes going back to the 80s. A fire started, but the suppression system failed because there was n…

There's a problem with testing sprinklers: engaging them can be damaging to contents and even structures. So, we're talking about completely emptying the facility, then taking it offline to dry for a time. I've never heard about this being done to anything that was already operational (but I wasn't researching this either).

There are methodds of testing the water pressure in the pipes without actually engaging the sprinkler heads. It is part of the normal checks done during the maintenence/inspection a business is supposed to have done. In fact, one place I was in had sensors, and would sound the actual fire alarm if the pressure fell below tolerance at any time. The lack of pressure in the Universal vault was 100% unexcusable.

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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That is a disturbingly large amount of flame. I was expecting a datacenter to not have much in the way of flammable material. ...then I read in some other comments here that they used wood in the interior construction.

Wood is a reasonable construction material. It takes a good while to start burning, and even when significantly charred it still retains most of its strength.

Wood is a reasonable construction material for my house, or an office - but is it for a building with that much energy kept that close together?

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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Isn’t that why things like statuspage.io exist, though?

Where is statuspage.io hosted?

I work for a CDN, and we had to change our status page provider once when they became our customer.

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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Is that a typo? I only see OVH bare metal starting at >$50. How could a provider offer a bare metal server for $5?

OVH has new servers. Their sub-brand soyoustart has older servers (that are still perfectly fine), roughly E3 Xeon/16-32GB/3x2TB to 4x2TB for $40/m ex vat. Their other sub brand kimsufi for personal servers has Atom low-power bare metal with 2TB HDD (in reality it is advertised 500GB/1TB, but they don't really have any of those in stock left, if your drive fails they replace it with a 2T - so far this has been my exp…

I like scalingo too. If you need a bit more, they have DBaaS, APP Containers and Networking.

Re: Fire declared in OVH SBG2 datacentre building

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OVH has new servers. Their sub-brand soyoustart has older servers (that are still perfectly fine), roughly E3 Xeon/16-32GB/3x2TB to 4x2TB for $40/m ex vat. Their other sub brand kimsufi for personal servers has Atom low-power bare metal with 2TB HDD (in reality it is advertised 500GB/1TB, but they don't really have any of those in stock left, if your drive fails they replace it with a 2T - so far this has been my exp…

I like scalingo too. If you need a bit more, they have DBaaS, APP Containers and Networking.

Scalingo is €552.96/m for 16GB of memory.

32c xeon/256GB ECC/500GB SSD 8TB HDD is $100/m at OVH. The difference is amusing.

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