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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by mysterydip »

Ankhers wrote: post #424
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340

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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

> Now that is why if I ever have to send my CV to someone it will only be a PDF version. This doesn't always help either though. I have only ever sent PDFs to recruiters for this reason. Yet I have still had a recruiter completely rewrite my resume and add false information. I generally keep a resume on me when I go to an interview just in case an interviewer had not seen it. I'm glad I do that.

would digitally signing and marking as no changes possible after signing work?

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Post by ufmace »

halostatue wrote: post #387
cosmodisk wrote: post #354

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The recruiter was in idiot but not to consider c# dev for Java job is quite silly too.

C# and Java the language are similar enough; the ecosystems are very different. A C# developer would mostly be expecting to develop Windows programs or possibly Windows server / IIS applications. A Java developer could be working on all kinds of different things.

Yup. Very similar language, but good luck going from ASP.NET MVC to Spring Boot without missing a beat. Or from WinForms and WPF to Swing and whatever else is new and hot in Java-land. Not to mention NuGet vs Maven, EntityFramework vs Hibernate, etc.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by tasty_freeze »

pradn wrote: post #381
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

> I've been to plenty of interviews where my CV hasn't been given more than a glance. I do technical interviews and I never look at CVs before doing the interview. I do this to avoid bias. I want to treat them the same no matter if they went to Stanford or were not working for 10 years or if this is their first job. Also, people are adaptable, and soft skills matter a lot. So the error bars for recruiting even based…

> I want to treat them the same no matter if they went to Stanford or were not working for 10 years or if this is their first job.

I don't agree. If I'm interviewing someone straight out of college there are things I wouldn't expect them to really know and focus on whether they are focused and motivated enough to learn those things on the job. If the person at 15 years experience and doesn't know things which are a normal part of the kind of job I do, it would be a deal breaker.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by gjvr »

noneeeed wrote: post #372
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

I had a recruiter say "XML and UML are basically the same, right?". There's almost a dangerous level of knowledge among some recruiters where they think they know enough to do crap like this.

Ha Ha. Thats’s even worse than the ‘C Hashtag’ that an HR dude was rambling on about.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dylan604 »

jefftk wrote: post #347
falcolas wrote: post #332

So, let me get this straight - you lie about your job requirements, but get all bent out of shape when the candidates lie right back at you? Brilliant. I can’t think of a better example of why hiring is broken; of how unequal the power dynamic is between employers and employees.

You don't list it as a requirement; list it as something that would be nice to have.

Does the applicant get bonus points if the call out the BS "nice to have skill" in their cover letter?

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by [deleted] »

soperj wrote: post #428
throw1234651234 wrote: post #414

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This. I can do programming problems in Java, but I definitely can't lead a team doing a Java project. I don't what Gradle/Maven/etc really are. I don't have years of experience with how libraries, the API request pipeline, middleware, etc work. I don't know little tricks / nuanaces, like the fact that Visual Studio has to be restarted for local code to pick up new environment variables, why String and string are the…

Gradle & Maven are just build tools. They can be used for other stuff, but that's what they're mostly used for in my experience.

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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by ncallaway »

NoOneNew wrote: post #393
jefftk wrote: post #347

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You don't list it as a requirement; list it as something that would be nice to have.

I was just thinking this. If it's labeled as an optional skill or something like that, I see nothing wrong with it. Applicant has no reason to lie about it. Have confidence in their other skills. At the same time, we have this new thing called search engines. If a language can't be found, they'll probably figure out that it's trap. Even better for the company. A person who won't lie and/or can research out BS for the…

> No one should bother to apply since they don't qualify instantly.

I never assume the "requirements" are actually hard requirements to an application, and I encourage others in the job market to do the same.

Sure, if you miss 3 out of the 5 requirements listed you might pass on that application. But if you've got 4 out of the 5 requirements, and think you could accomplish the job as described, you should still strongly consider sending in an application. Don't lie on your CV that you submit, but you can still submit your CV.

You never know which requirements are actually hard requirements for the org, and which were just listed that way on the job listing.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by WesleyJohnson »

I've always had trouble with my worth as a developer. There are multiple reasons I won't get into, but the recruiter I used to get hired at my current employer helped me drive my salary request way North of what I was comfortable negotiating for on my own. I grappled with whether or not I deserved it, and still do at times, but I was obviously very appreciative - regardless of their reasoning.

Now that I've been promoted to a manager position, we get recruiters presenting us candidates at the same, or higher, salaries than what I started at 4 years ago, and in many cases I don't feel the candidate's experience and skillset warrant the salary ask.

I'm not sure what the take away is, except maybe I'm still undervalued, or recruiters are just padding salaries to earn that sweet, sweet commission. I'm thankful for recruiters in my own personal journey, but as a hiring manager, I'm skeptical.

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