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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by vorpalhex »

DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

> Now that is why if I ever have to send my CV to someone it will only be a PDF version.

Make sure it's digitally signed and locked. I've had recruiters do hacky edits to plain pdfs before.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by arethuza »

softawre wrote: post #392
hutzlibu wrote: post #234

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"and there is no incentive to do so. " Still, after the accident some of the engineers went for a literal suicide mission to open some ventil to make it all less catastrophic. And unlike the poor construction workers, who died, too, they knew what they were doing. I doubt they did it just for the postmortal fame. Some people have actually moral standards and can stand by it, even if it means disadvantages.

Just FYI, those 3 heroes didn't die right away like it hinted in the show. They lived normalish lives.

HBO Chernobyl makes it very clear that the 3 men survived for many years after the accident and that at the time the show was made 2 were still alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHrVlyU3suk&t=132s

Edit: Everyone at the time probably thought that they were being sent to their deaths so they were staggeringly brave - but that's not how things turned out.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by lupire »

behringer wrote: post #356
jameshart wrote: post #317

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Is the objective of hobbies to ‘get good’ at them? That sounds exhausting. If someone lists ‘skiing’ as a hobby I’m not expecting them to have Olympic medals to back that up. ‘It says here on your resume that you play guitar. Well, let’s see how you fair in a guitar battle with Slash from accounting’ This is just more of that hyper competitive ‘well rounded college applicant’ performative high school stuff, isn’t it?…

I would not list guitar playing on my resume unless I was prepared to entertain a crowd at my job interview. Likewise I wouldn't list chess unless I was good enough to at least entertain a grand master for a few minutes.

Nonsense. Entertaining a crowd is nothing like entertaining a grand master. A 1400 USCF player could organize a chess tournament as a company social event.

Guitar is a performance art. Mediocre people are entertaining. Chess (and skiing) mostly isn't.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by throw1234651234 »

halostatue wrote: post #387
cosmodisk wrote: post #354

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The recruiter was in idiot but not to consider c# dev for Java job is quite silly too.

C# and Java the language are similar enough; the ecosystems are very different. A C# developer would mostly be expecting to develop Windows programs or possibly Windows server / IIS applications. A Java developer could be working on all kinds of different things.

This. I can do programming problems in Java, but I definitely can't lead a team doing a Java project. I don't what Gradle/Maven/etc really are. I don't have years of experience with how libraries, the API request pipeline, middleware, etc work. I don't know little tricks / nuanaces, like the fact that Visual Studio has to be restarted for local code to pick up new environment variables, why String and string are the same thing, etc, etc, etc.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dfranke »

rjmill wrote: post #403
lwigo wrote: post #351

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Recruiters will straight up ask for .DOC versions, too. The gall.

It's common practice for recruiters to replace your personal contact info with their agency's header/contact info. I don't mind that. It makes sense. I generate my resume as a PDF from HTML/CSS. It's fun to see how recruiters handle that. I think most use image manipulation to insert their header. One recruiter sent me some image assets and let me add the header/footer myself. I'm sure some recruiters go too far with…

Last time I applied for job through a headhunter (2010), they ran my LaTeX resume through an automated .doc converter that destroyed all the formatting and then didn't even attempt to fix any of it. Somehow I still managed to get some interviews, and when I saw the printout on the interviewer's desk I shrieked in horror and handed him one the original paper copies that I'd luckily had the foresight to bring with me.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by daemin »

bena wrote: post #338
eternalban wrote: post #276

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Nonsense told to me repeatedly by recruiters over the years: - (your point) no incentive to send you for an interview if not a good fit. - "I make more money if you make your money" often said to spin the "what is your salary requirement" question Most recruiters work for an agency. Agencies have accounts with businesses. The account is central. You are in no position whatsoever to make determination as to what incen…

It's one of those things that are technically true, but doesn't matter as much as the candidate is led to believe. Negotiating $10k more for a candidate might see them get some percentage of that. But if they place you now, they can move on to another candidate and get a percentage of $100k or more. Churn is far more important than min-maxing any single candidate.

Yep, recruiters like other middlemen make most money with volume not price/quality. It's not the size of the deal it's the constant flow of deals which makes them money.

For them to pay lots of attention on a single deal it has to be rather large, so that's why head hunters exist for top CxO type personnel, but not really for rank and file positions.

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Post by chromanoid »

vorpalhex wrote: post #411
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #340

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Had the almost exact same experience, but with Java. I'm a C# developer and although I have some experience with Java, I don't have enough to list it as a skill on my CV. Anyways, in this interview I was being asked about Java and I answered every question by saying I don't really know Java. The interviewers were obviously getting annoyed. So I asked "Sorry, I thought this was a C# job?". No, it was a Java job and ma…

> Now that is why if I ever have to send my CV to someone it will only be a PDF version. Make sure it's digitally signed and locked. I've had recruiters do hacky edits to plain pdfs before.

Are you sure recruiters won't also circumvent this when they engage in such shady practices? Print and scan is an easy way to get around this.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by ghaff »

projectileboy wrote: post #136
dmos62 wrote: post #96

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Jeez louise, imagine working somewhere where coworkers are regularly abused to tears. I really hope that that's an isolated case.

Nope. Sales is sales is sales. It’s a pretty harsh world. If you’ve been a solid performer for years, maybe you can miss one monthly quota. Lots of abuse.

I imagine a lot of people here would consider it pretty awful if they would be routinely punished because something happened totally out of their control--like a decision maker at a customer changing jobs tanking an "in the bag" deal. Yet that sort of thing happens all the time in sales.

Sales is especially harsh in some environments.

I knew someone who ran the business side of a small company. They thought they were really good at sales. But they were really just handling client service, billing, etc. for jobs that the consultants brought in through their own relationships. They ended up going on to do "client service" (i.e. sales) for a big NYC financial institution which lasted about a year. I'm sure it wasn't pretty.

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