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YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Is youtube really worth it at this point? You can publish using activity pub now and most youtubers are funded by patreon and paid sponsors anyway.

Doesn't patreon also need to follow the US tax code? Just because they haven't it doesn't mean that they don't have to. Countries taxing content creators from other countries will get crazy.

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#52

American taxes are so screwed up. Many typical hackernews folks may not be aware but potentially hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are realizing that they owe taxes on the unemployment income they received when they lost their job this year. Nothing like getting a stimulus check and then giving it all to the IRS plus some.

How is that screwed up? Unemployment income is still income. It works the same way in canada as well[1]. I get why it sounds stupid on the surface (ie. why is the government giving you money, then asking to give a portion back?), but it makes sense if you think about it. Otherwise unemployment disproportionately benefits high income earners because it's tax-free.

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/news/2021/02/governm...

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

#53

That seems like a potentially risky move from YouTube. Won't every other country now demand that they do the same for them? This is going to be extremely confusing for creators. I can't imagine anyone but the very largest YouTubers being able to handle getting taxed in multiple countries and figure out what exactly they need to pay at home. Actually, the large YouTubers may be better of simply demonetizing they video…

In the same TOS change Google added a point where they say that they can show their own ads on demonetised videos https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10090902?hl=en

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Is youtube really worth it at this point? You can publish using activity pub now and most youtubers are funded by patreon and paid sponsors anyway.

No one else has an active user count close to the same order of magnitude. Not to mention apps for every platform.

Why on earth do you need an app to watch a video in a web page? It doesn't even store anything locally, IIRC the iOS one just displays an astronaught cartoon and a fake apology when there's no connection.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

#55

That seems like a potentially risky move from YouTube. Won't every other country now demand that they do the same for them? This is going to be extremely confusing for creators. I can't imagine anyone but the very largest YouTubers being able to handle getting taxed in multiple countries and figure out what exactly they need to pay at home. Actually, the large YouTubers may be better of simply demonetizing they video…

Probably not. The US is one of few (two?) countries with tax policies that cross jurisdictions like these, and so far there doesn't seem to be much of a pushback from other nations. Might have something to do with who has more aircraft carriers.

But yeah, YouTubers are going to be confused. And it makes me wonder, what's next? What about ad revenue from Google / Facebook? Or is that handled through their offices in Ireland?

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#56
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd imagine most content creators come from countries that have tax treaties with the US.

Tax treaties are not simple. Doesn't mean you won't get double taxed

It also doesn't mean that most complaints about 2x taxation aren't from people seeking 0x taxation while complaining that they're still stuck with 1x taxation.

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#57

But why? If you’re not physically present in the US and are not a US citizen, why would you be subject to (income) tax? Or is that not a form of income tax, but something else?

I suppose a non-citizen subject to this tax would have to appeal to their own government and raise the issue diplomatically. But I doubt most nations would be in a position to change the United State's behavior in this regard. Maybe the EU has enough clout to contest this in a court of international law. But that also depends on them wanting to raise the issue in the first place.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

#58

American taxes are so screwed up. Many typical hackernews folks may not be aware but potentially hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are realizing that they owe taxes on the unemployment income they received when they lost their job this year. Nothing like getting a stimulus check and then giving it all to the IRS plus some.

When you fill out the certification for unemployment, there is a question that states exactly that: would like us to hold the tax or will you pay it later?

I helped someone go through the process. It definitely does for California.

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Is youtube really worth it at this point? You can publish using activity pub now and most youtubers are funded by patreon and paid sponsors anyway.

I'm sitting at my work machine. You have seen an interesting video on ActivityPub and you want to suggest I watch it. In the ActivityPub world, what is the equivalent to the following set of steps? 1. You send me a Youtube URL 2. I load that page in my browser (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Android, iPhone, Desktop, anything) 3. I watch the video

It's exactly the same? Activitypub just changes the way subscriptions work.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Won't every other country now demand that they do the same for them? What other countries have major services like YouTube that pay their content creators in the US where they could 'do the same for them'?

I think they meant that Spain can now demand Youtubers to pay tax for money they made from Spanish viewers on Youtube. Etc.

Nobody made any money from Spanish viewers... they made money from YouTube.
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