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YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by mouldysammich »

rkangel wrote: post #25
swiley wrote: post #6

Is youtube really worth it at this point? You can publish using activity pub now and most youtubers are funded by patreon and paid sponsors anyway.

I'm sitting at my work machine. You have seen an interesting video on ActivityPub and you want to suggest I watch it. In the ActivityPub world, what is the equivalent to the following set of steps? 1. You send me a Youtube URL 2. I load that page in my browser (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Android, iPhone, Desktop, anything) 3. I watch the video

In my experience, occasionally watching videos its almost the exact same.

   1. You send me a peertube -- any peertube URL
   2. I load that page in my browser (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Android, iPhone, Desktop, anything)
   3. I watch the video
I'm not sure what the peertube mobile compatibility is like but newpipe supports it and i assume modern mobile browsers work.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by hartator »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #27
hartator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deduct or expense? The later is almost for sure, the former not so sure.

IIRC my reading of stories of US citizens working in other countries and paying taxes in those countries can deduct the money they have paid on the American taxes from the money they have to pay to the local taxes. Which makes sense otherwise nobody would want to leave the US to work in another country, given that other countries often have much higher taxes. At any rate I would definitely be deducting the American t…

Yes, but I think you have to file taxes as a foreign national with the IRS then. Just the Google receipt won’t be enough for your local taxes. And filling out taxes with the IRS might block you from getting a visitor visa to the US.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by swiley »

jerrre wrote: post #16
swiley wrote: post #6

Is youtube really worth it at this point? You can publish using activity pub now and most youtubers are funded by patreon and paid sponsors anyway.

I think YT's discovery and reach is - and will be for some time - unparalleled for a lot of types of content?

YT discovery only brings you new stuff if you only use it in icogneto mode.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #11
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #4

as a normal rule I believe every dollar I pay in American tax I would then deduct from taxes in my home country, the problem is not double taxation, it is a more difficult workload. I wonder though if there would be any interesting things loopholes this whole thing would open up actually. on edit: actually if I was to try to do something with YouTube given this rule I would probably want to incorporate before creatin…

This heavily depends on the tax agreement your country has with the US.

yeah I guess you're right, I had improperly universalized my local situation.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by tinyhouse »

chrisseaton wrote: post #22
mrweasel wrote: post #15

That seems like a potentially risky move from YouTube. Won't every other country now demand that they do the same for them? This is going to be extremely confusing for creators. I can't imagine anyone but the very largest YouTubers being able to handle getting taxed in multiple countries and figure out what exactly they need to pay at home. Actually, the large YouTubers may be better of simply demonetizing they video…

> Won't every other country now demand that they do the same for them? What other countries have major services like YouTube that pay their content creators in the US where they could 'do the same for them'?

I think they meant that Spain can now demand Youtubers to pay tax for money they made from Spanish viewers on Youtube. Etc.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #27
hartator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deduct or expense? The later is almost for sure, the former not so sure.

IIRC my reading of stories of US citizens working in other countries and paying taxes in those countries can deduct the money they have paid on the American taxes from the money they have to pay to the local taxes. Which makes sense otherwise nobody would want to leave the US to work in another country, given that other countries often have much higher taxes. At any rate I would definitely be deducting the American t…

Note that the USA will allow you to deduct foreign taxes paid, but California won’t. It’s a good idea not to be a Californians before going abroad to work.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hartator wrote: post #32
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC my reading of stories of US citizens working in other countries and paying taxes in those countries can deduct the money they have paid on the American taxes from the money they have to pay to the local taxes. Which makes sense otherwise nobody would want to leave the US to work in another country, given that other countries often have much higher taxes. At any rate I would definitely be deducting the American t…

Yes, but I think you have to file taxes as a foreign national with the IRS then. Just the Google receipt won’t be enough for your local taxes. And filling out taxes with the IRS might block you from getting a visitor visa to the US.

> And filling out taxes with the IRS might block you from getting a visitor visa to the US.

No it won’t. Plenty of non resident aliens file taxes with the IRS. You do need to get an ITIN to do it, but you’ll be able to deduct foreign tax paid against USA tax obligations. Not easy, but there are plenty of instructions on how to do it. The state department won’t ding anyone or even ask for filing a tax return with the IRS.

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by gruez »

rjsw wrote: post #29
graeme wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the tax treaty. With Canada and the US it is for example. So, the Canadian creator complaining should in theory be able to file a W-8BEN form with youtube showing Canadian beneficial ownership of the channel, and then the tax rate will be 0% due to the US Canada tax treaty. The creator will likely need an ITIN as well. Not a lawyer. Just have done this for royalties via amazon’s printing company. Amazon ot…

I read the title as YouTube not wanting to have to process W-8BEN forms for the creators.

But their support article[1] says that if you submit your "tax info" (presumably w-8ben?), they'll adjust the withholding rate accordingly.

[1] https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/101463270?hl=en

Re: YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged American tax

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Post by yoz-y »

mrweasel wrote: post #15

That seems like a potentially risky move from YouTube. Won't every other country now demand that they do the same for them? This is going to be extremely confusing for creators. I can't imagine anyone but the very largest YouTubers being able to handle getting taxed in multiple countries and figure out what exactly they need to pay at home. Actually, the large YouTubers may be better of simply demonetizing they video…

How is abiding to the U.S. law, where Google/YouTube is incorporated a "risky move"? It's not like there is a choice.

https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/101463270?hl=en

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